Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

@veeeeh

And Astra Zenica means 25% of us even after the vax could be still exposed, or have I got that wrong?

The reports are focusing on the 70% figure but the different dosing regimes tested suggest a figure closer to 90% could be achieved with the right dosing schedule.

@Jobseeker19

I am wary because I had the swine flu vaccine when I was pregnant about 11 years ago.

Then the news about narcolepsy and the vaccine came out and I was shocked as this wasn't mentioned as a risk or even by the NHS at all only from a C4 documentary.

Now I wouldn't rush to be the first group to try it.

Did you get narcolepsy?

Initially it will be optional but yes I do expect to have to have it for foreign travel as a condition of carriage, perhaps U.K. based holidays too like centreparcs. I'm holding out for the Oxford one though, don't fancy the mRNA one.

Theres a bbc podcast called "how to vaccinate the world" released yesterday for useful information btw. Qantus announced it was going to be compulsory overnight.

@Jobseeker19
"I am wary because I had the swine flu vaccine when I was pregnant about 11 years ago.

Then the news about narcolepsy and the vaccine came out and I was shocked as this wasn't mentioned as a risk or even by the NHS at all only from a C4 documentary.

Now I wouldn't rush to be the first group to try it."

You do know that a rare side effect of paracetamol is bloody/cloudy urine? Is that always mentioned by the shopkeeper when you buy your painkillers? By your reasoning you wouldn't be taking any medication then!

I think it's reasonable to not let people do certain things if they haven't had it and don't have a good reason why not. In the states kids can't go to childcare settings without having their vaccinations so...it wouldn't be an unheard of thing to stop people doing things without.
There are some of us who genuinely cannot have it (my doctors have said I can't for the reasons that I had assumed I couldn't)... And I'm also CEV so for people like us to actually be allowed to be exempt then people do need to have it

It's quite normal for certain vaccines to be essential for travel. There's no "right" to gainn accesd to other countries, you can just stay unvaccinated at home.

I’ll be delighted if airlines (assuming they still exist as we know them) won’t let people travel without vaccination. I hope the Shuttle, ferries and Eurostar follow suit.

I’d hope large sporting and entertainment venues would do likewise.
Anti-vaxxers have much to answer for.

Airlines might not need to if you need it to enter country. Makes sense to me. If people are so against it no entry.

Anti vaxxers scare me. As someone who genuinely cannot have a lot of vaccinations and drugs, I do rely on others doing so

Qantus announced it was going to be compulsory overnight.

Have they?

Last I heard was the Qantas CEO saying "Being vaccinated against Covid-19 is likely to become a prerequisite of flying internationally with Qantas,

BTW , and this isn't aimed at anybody in particular because it's a fairly common mistake...there's no "u", anywhere, in Qantas....

@OpheliasCrayon

Anti vaxxers scare me. As someone who genuinely cannot have a lot of vaccinations and drugs, I do rely on others doing so

Just want to point out again I am no way an anti vaxxer, it was just a question.

A lot of people who are saying they don't want the vaccine will change their minds once they realise their travel abroad might be restricted.

@CherryPavlova

I’ll be delighted if airlines (assuming they still exist as we know them) won’t let people travel without vaccination. I hope the Shuttle, ferries and Eurostar follow suit.

Would you be delighted if somebody's health is permanently damaged due to being forced to take experimental novel Covid vaccines?

Our government is not going to force this on anyone, other countries may differ.

The vaccine most people here will be offered is the Oxford vaccine, it doesnt use new technology. If you are over 80 or a NHS/care home worker you may be offered one using new tech.

The risks of long covid are currently unknown but in one study 5.7% got a new psychiatric diagnoses and a higher number had a recurrence of a previous psychiatric diagnosis. Perhaps that is what anti-vaxers really fear.

Covid gets into every organ in the body. 30% are still breathless after 2 months, 40% fatigued. 70% of those with long covid have organ damage on scans (one or more organs). Covid lowers testosterone and possibly male fertility and libido (duration unknown).

I'd prefer to allow others to go first but we are all going to be offered this over a short time period. So I have to decide if I want to risk covid, with a good chance of a nasty illness for 2 months and a smaller risk of death or long term disability or a vaccination given to tens of thousands of people without serious adverse effects.

Long covid actually seems to be more common in younger people, perhaps because older people who are susceptible die of it instead.

I'm planning to take a probably sore arm over possible long term disability.

No one will be held down and jabbed.
But there will be restrictions in those who refuse - which is up to them really.

I suspect the Covid deniers will get themselves vaccinated when they can’t go on holiday next summer.

@Crazycatlady83

There is lots of information out there as to why the vaccine is safe and how it has been developed in super fast time - if you wanted to do your own research, you could find this.

I think there will be restrictions on life (travel etc) if you can be vaccinated but choose not to. If you have a justifiable reason not to be vaccinated, it is unfair they are put at risk for someone else’s free choice. These people should be allowed to participate in “normal life” safe in the knowledge people around them have been vaccinated and there is a reduced risk c19 will be passed into them.

Why restrict anything though? Why not just run rapid tests? Choice for everyone

Rapid tests are not as effective as vaccination - but we should allow it if two tests paid for by the person taking them, one test 3 days in advance and one at the activity.

Slightly OT but OP you won't have been I'll from the virus the flu jab vaccinates, it will have been a different one. When you are pregnant your immune system us lowered so you will have been more susceptible than normal to getting ill. I get TERRIBLE cold sores when I'm pregnant even though I've never in my life had one when not pregnant! I also get much more ill with weird things the normal as my body is working extra hard!

@Funkypolar

I shan’t be having it when pregnant. It’s not like they are going to pin me down and force it on me.

Of course not. And there has been no suggestion as yet that pregnant women even can have it. No one will pin you down, that would be assault, but you may well find yourself excluded from things without the vaccine. I imagine there will be exemptions for anyone who cannot have it though, like yourself.

Why restrict anything though? Why not just run rapid tests? Choice for everyone

I suppose that might work, so long as people are happy to pay for their test. And so long as the result is reliable (as reliable as the vaccine, anyway)

'No one will be held down and jabbed. But there will be restrictions in those who refuse - which is up to them really. I suspect the Covid deniers will get themselves vaccinated when they can’t go on holiday next summer.'

Yes, there will be restrictions for those who refuse to be vaccinated.

I don't think they'll have to 'force' people, I think there will be enough of an uptake to create herd immunity anyway

Why restrict anything though? Why not just run rapid tests? Choice for everyone

The main problem with this is that the tests can't detect the virus as soon as you catch it and the length of time it takes to be detectable seems to differ from person to person. So, for example, I could have several negative tests in the days leading up to going on holiday/going to a festival but become infectious the day after I arrive. If everyone takes this approach then at a large event there is a good chance that someone will take the virus in and it will spread. If everyone takes the vaccine instead, even at 70% effectiveness there is less chance that someone will take the virus with them and even if they do, less chance for it to spread.

The 'choice' to rely on testing rather than vaccine will only work if most people are vaccinated. So really anyone who wants to have this option really means they want other people to take what they perceive as a risk so that they can avoid it.

I wish people would be a bit kinder and a bit less gleeful about other people's fears. I have long-term damage from a medication so would be nervous about the vaccine anyway, but since then I react badly and unpredictably to many things that I could previous take with no issues. I live in terror of a UTI or a cracked tooth, any minor, easily resolved medical condition that I previously wouldn't have worried twice about. I don't even take painkillers, which is fun on day 1 of my period and I also get bad headaches that I just have to wait out.

Because of this, the risks of the vaccine far outweight the benefits for me. Whatever else is wrong with me, my immune system is good and I think I already had covid in March, although not much in the way of testing at the time so clearly I can't know for certain.

I'm beside myself that I'm now going to be excluded even further from society, that on top of having my health screwed up and losing my career and income I'm now going to be barred from leaving the country, entering premises etc. I feel like I'm having misery heaped on top of misery.

I'd hope I can get an excemption but certainly if I was Australian that wouldn't be the case, as they have a very small list of conditions that grant you vaccination exception. And I had an absolute nightmare getting any doctors to take me seriously initially, until I was lucky enough to go under the care of a good consultant who has a special interest in people damaged by the medication that injured me.

So... yeah. I'm not at all anti-vaxx and I've had the full schedule of vaccinations that were recommended at the time etc (particularly grateful that I had the BCG!). I have tried to hard to get as well as possible and claw back some semblence of a life after what happened to me, and now this.