Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

@CountFosco

Any remaining vaccine should be used in developing countries

The biggest risk factor for Covid is age and so the most vulnerable people are in the high income countries with high average age. The average age in the UK is double that of most countries in Africa. If you're in West Africa I'd hazard a guess that you're far more likely to die of malaria than of Covid-19.

That maybe true but the developing world isn't just West Africa.

As the WHO said, we need to get vaccine into the whole world or leave a pool of Covid in populations, where it could mutate, perhaps into something milder or more aggressive.

@NeonIcedcoffee

OP you're coming across as not very bright. Read done stuff about why the vaccine is safe.

Also people can imply things on posts without directly saying them eg if you're saying you won't have a vaccine what if everyone else made that choice? Again not great on the thinking....

I'll openly admit I'm not as clued up on the vaccine or covid in general which is why I asked the question, maybe I'm not as bright as you on the topic, I'm not trying to be, I wouldn't be condescending to anyone on the internet either but everyone's different.

I understand people can imply things that someone has not actually said which is why I cleared it up as I didn't want other people thinking I was expecting it. I don't expect everyone else to get it to keep me safe, I'm following guidelines which is what I wanted to make clear as I've seen a lot of anti vax people post who think it's a control conspiracy and I wanted to say I'm not one of those people.

Covid 19s pretty new too and we don’t know the long term effects of a covid 19 infection either although doctors are beginning to get an idea of the heart and lung damage.

@NeonIcedcoffee

OP you're coming across as not very bright.

The OP is just asking a valid question and canvassing opinion. How can this be perceived as not bright?

@JS87 There’s no right or wrong choice. Both options aren’t without risk and we can both make our own choices which is one of the advantages of living in a democracy. We both end up with what we want so happy days 😀

Under 30s wont be offered a vaccine for ages. Does that mean under 30s won't be able to travel, go into hospital etc?

I don’t think people will be held down and injected against their will but the government aren’t going to keep paying wages, SSP and bankrolling the cost of the restrictions while people wait a few years before some arbitrary length of time passes whereby people deem it “safe”. We don’t have years to wait, the pandemic is going on now!

I strongly suspect that after a hideous winter and faced with more restrictions, no furlough, no seeing family etc plenty of the sceptics now will be elbowing their way to the front of the queue

@KitKatastrophe

Under 30s wont be offered a vaccine for ages. Does that mean under 30s won't be able to travel, go into hospital etc?

I think Ticketmaster have said that attendance at gigs will be conditional on a negative test x days/hours before the gig.

@MadameBlobby

the government aren’t going to keep paying wages, SSP and bankrolling the cost of the restrictions while people wait a few years before some arbitrary length of time passes whereby people deem it “safe”

There will also be healthcare costs associated which we will all have to pay should people suffer long term damage from experimental vaccines

Coercion is possible but I doubt they'll do it in the UK. I reckon there will be a good uptake as long as they keep the anti-vac movement at bay. Here in Italy, the anti-vac movement had got so big that they had to enforce that children who weren't vaccinated/scheduled to be vaccinated couldn't attend school.

[quote trulydelicious]@MadameBlobby

the government aren’t going to keep paying wages, SSP and bankrolling the cost of the restrictions while people wait a few years before some arbitrary length of time passes whereby people deem it “safe”

There will also be healthcare costs associated which we will all have to pay should people suffer long term damage from experimental vaccines[/quote]
Apparently long term effects from vaccines aren’t really a thing. Someone explained it quite well on a thread the other day.

In any event even if vaccines adversely affect 1 in 10000 people that is a lot less than most people’s risks of being affected by Covid

Will wait to see how it works out when the first tranches have been rolled out to the elderly, vulnerable and healthcare workers.

Then I will see what to do. I am no anti vaxxer at all, but these vaccines have arrived at lightning speed. I know we have been told that all the stops were pulled out to achieve this, and it is totally safe. We shall see.

If you need to go abroad in the next year for sure you will need evidence of having received the vaccine. That's fine where travel is essential.

I'll wait a while, but probably will have to anyway, as there are so many in the Q in front of me!

The logistics of delivery might be difficult too. Say 40 million or so double doses, since kids are not getting it. How long will that take to deliver?

Don't think we will be all ok come Easter or anything. But it is good and positive news. And in time will hopefully kill this virus for good. All pandemics ended in time.

I am wary because I had the swine flu vaccine when I was pregnant about 11 years ago.

Then the news about narcolepsy and the vaccine came out and I was shocked as this wasn't mentioned as a risk or even by the NHS at all only from a C4 documentary.

Now I wouldn't rush to be the first group to try it.

@MadameBlobby

Apparently long term effects from vaccines aren’t really a thing. Someone explained it quite well on a thread the other day.

That is for existing traditional tried and tested vaccines that have been in use for years. We don't know regarding the new technology experimental Covid vaccines.

I have already had COVID and tested positive twice for antibodies. Therefore, it is as if I have already been vaccinated. I will try to push myself to the back of the queue.

They won't force the vaccine in the UK, but same won't be said for other countries. Quanta announced that oversees passengers must have a Covid vaccine before they travel

No vaccine, no travel I reckon. But I can understand that.

All the people who are saying “we don’t know what the long term effects are” - if only scientists had started working on a COVID-19 vaccine five years ago, by now they would have had a good idea of long term side effects. Except it hadn’t been heard of five years ago. And if the virus hadn’t been around, there would have been nothing to vaccinate against so you would never know if it worked or not (but at least you’d know the long term side effects).

They won't force the vaccine in the UK, but same won't be said for other countries. Quanta announced that oversees passengers must have a Covid vaccine before they travel

They’re not forcing the vaccine on you. If you don’t want it, you just don’t get to fly on Qantas is all. But I wouldn’t be surprised if countries with very low to no prevalence insist on vaccination. You’re not going to be made stateless though, you just get to stay in the UK.

Nope.
They don't have enough h doses for the whole population, so they won't.
I do think people like NHS staff etc will probably be heavily pressured to take it but not forced.

We will need so many who are trained to administer this. x2 also. Think about that.

Anyway I am sure it will be shoulder to the wheel.

And Astra Zenica means 25% of us even after the vax could be still exposed, or have I got that wrong?

Considering you could have the vaccine and still get Covid I would have thought proof of a negative test would be better when it comes to travel etc.

It’s not true that the flu vaccine can’t make you feel unwell because it’s a dead virus. It won’t make you unwell “with flu” but because it’s designed to provoke your immune system, it might make you feel unwell with a slightly raised temperature and mild muscle aches.
Having said that, I have it every year and don’t notice any side effects. I didn’t even feel the needle go in this year (thanks, lovely Boots pharmacist).