Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

If I need it to go on holiday abroad I will have it.

I doubt they'll be forcing it on anyone for a long time since their current plan is basically to ration it to only the most vulnerable.
Under-50s not ECV are not going to be getting it for a good while even if they do want it, let alone if they don't.

@bumbleymummy

Why only accept proof of vaccination? Proof of immunity would make more sense. Just because you’ve had the vaccine won’t necessarily make you immune and you can be immune through having the infection itself. Seems a bit silly.

It would be hard to prove/impossible to show exactly when you got covid wheras it's easy to say "had my vaccination on XXX therefore I'm good until XXX'

@Frequentflier

India has plenty of Muslims and Catholics. The government still decided to make vaccines mandatory for school admissions on the basis that religion should not result in millions dying. It's how we eliminated polio. .There is precedent for public health outweighing religion. As it should.

They're required for school and university admission in the US as well. The Supreme Court ruled in the early 1900s that the government has a compelling interest in safeguarding children and school staff. If someone doesn't like it they can homeschool, which is perfectly legal.

Some states have allowed limited religious exemptions but those are being eliminated due to the rampant measles outbreaks we've had in the last few years.

@JimmyTheBrave but the vaccine doesn’t guarantee immunity and we don’t know how long it gives immunity for either. If they are going to implement a policy to try to prevent CV being brought into the country then proof of immunity should be what they’re looking for - and it shouldn’t matter how that immunity was gained.

So are you just expecting everyone else to have it to keep you safe?

@Username198

I’m young and healthy so I think the risk of the vaccine for me is greater than the risk of the virus. I’d probably feel differently if it was something like Ebola but any vaccine carries a risk and things have gone wrong in the past.

What makes you think this????? The risk of long covid is probably around 10% regardless of age. The risk of a serious side effect from the vaccine is probably less than one in 20 000 or even 1 in 100 000 (basically if no sae in the number of people in the trial the risk will be less than that). I don’t understand this twisted logic people have!!

@MissConductUS

Some states have allowed limited religious exemptions but those are being eliminated due to the rampant measles outbreaks we've had in the last few years.

This is different. These are true tried and tested vaccines that have been used safely for years

No, they won’t force anybody but you won’t get past Check-In without proof of vaccination.

@MrDarcysMa

Also OP have you never travelled anywhere that required vaccines ? Asia for example? It's already quite common.

I've been to Japan but I didn't need a vaccine, I've not been anywhere where a vaccine is needed.

@NeonIcedcoffee

So are you just expecting everyone else to have it to keep you safe?

I suppose this depends on whether it stops transmission. If it just reduces symptoms then people who don’t have it will still bear the risk of hospitalisation etc

@NeonIcedcoffee

So are you just expecting everyone else to have it to keep you safe?

Didn't say that? In my previous post I said I'd probably get it to keep other people safe, like I'm wearing masks now to keep other people safe. I don't expect anyone to do anything.

“ The risk of long covid is probably around 10% regardless of age.” @JS87

Source for this? Any study I’ve read has put the risk much lower than that and older people/people with pre-existing conditions are more at risk.

This is different. These are true tried and tested vaccines that have been used safely for years

If you don't want to try one of the mRNA vaccines you can wait for the Oxford vaccine to be offered. If you don't want that one either you can live with the risks and restrictions of being unvaccinated.

Unvaccinated does not necessarily mean not immune. Why should immune people not be allowed to travel?

@JS87

Well I’m not convinced 10% is an accurate number and no one knows the long term side effects of the vaccine either. It’s my choice what gets put into my body and I don’t feel comfortable taking the risk for a virus that in all likelihood won’t be any worse than the flu.

[quote Username198]@JS87

Well I’m not convinced 10% is an accurate number and no one knows the long term side effects of the vaccine either. It’s my choice what gets put into my body and I don’t feel comfortable taking the risk for a virus that in all likelihood won’t be any worse than the flu.[/quote]
Yes you’re right. It’s your choice. If you prefer to put a virus into your body with a mortality rate of around 0.5% instead of a vaccine which has gone through extensive safety tests then go ahead.

Vaccines don’t tend to have long term side effects by the way. Lung and heart damage on the other hand 🤷‍♀️

@JS87 IFR by age BMJ The mortality rate for most is much less than 0.5%

but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it

For the love of God people, no more explanations about how it has been possible to develop a vaccine so quickly - anyone who is saying they don’t know why must have had their head down a drain for the last several weeks! If you choose not to believe it, fair enough, but all this faux-ignorance is properly getting on my nerves.

@bumbleymummy Cheers for that, looks likes it’s actually 0.0009% from that source.

I hope they do enforce restrictions on travel

Any country who wants its tourists trade back will make that decision. The UK government can not get involved in other nations restrictions for travel.

I hope the government will insist people coming to the UK are vaccinated.

@MissConductUS

If you don't want to try one of the mRNA vaccines you can wait for the Oxford vaccine to be offered. If you don't want that one either you can live with the risks and restrictions of being unvaccinated.

Why do I have to consider only these options? As at 3/11/2020 the WHO reported 47 candidate vaccines in clinical evaluation all with different profiles (some are even the traditional whole inactivated virus type). Others may be developed in the future, who knows?

Any remaining vaccine should be used in developing countries

The biggest risk factor for Covid is age and so the most vulnerable people are in the high income countries with high average age. The average age in the UK is double that of most countries in Africa. If you're in West Africa I'd hazard a guess that you're far more likely to die of malaria than of Covid-19.

@JS87

Vaccines don’t tend to have long term side effects by the way.

Maybe this is true for the traditional vaccines that have been in use for years . We simply don't know for the Covid vaccines that use new technology

OP you're coming across as not very bright. Read done stuff about why the vaccine is safe.

Also people can imply things on posts without directly saying them eg if you're saying you won't have a vaccine what if everyone else made that choice? Again not great on the thinking....