Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

Yes so there was outcry when the government allegedly let too many people in with the virus and then when there is the possibility to stop that there will be outcry about that as well .

That’s about par for the course .

@CountFosco Thank you to you and your brilliant colleagues for the amazing work you are doing this year. Millions of us who are in high-risk groups and whose lives have been on hold since March are incredibly grateful.

@bumbleymummy

Not true . You can get it twice . And they are still researching why antibody rates vary so much in individuals.

As found when they were collecting plasma for treatment of patients .

@bumbleymummy

Why only accept proof of vaccination? Proof of immunity would make more sense. Just because you’ve had the vaccine won’t necessarily make you immune and you can be immune through having the infection itself. Seems a bit silly.

There's no test for Long-term immunity (T-cells)

@OverTheRainbow88

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-55048438

And so it starts

Maybe it's Qantas' insurers and fear of lawsuits?

It's one airline of many

In many countries (eu) kids can't attend school if they are not vaccinated. There is a level of social responsibility that needs to be present in everyone. If not naturally then through legislation unfortunately. I do hope it won't come to that, but I hoped we won't have brexit or a corrupt gov....

@Unsure33
Immunity from infection lasts at least 6 months

“ "We can be confident that, at least in the short term, most people who get COVID-19 won't get it again," said Professor David Eyre, one of the authors of the research.”

@TicTacTwo There is actually a t-cell test in development. There’s no guarantee that the vaccine will provide long term immunity either so if the point of the policy is to stop cv coming into the country then it would make more sense to require proof of immunity (by vaccination/natural immunity).

SimonTJ many years in the religion through family and I never knew that. Thank you it’s interesting.

If the vaccine isn't on offer to anyone under 50 without underlying condition how can they force it??

I don’t think they will force people to get it.
I hope that they will stop people going to restaurants, pubs, shops, gigs and travelling abroad eventually though if they refuse to get the vaccine and have no valid reason not to.
Like taxation, the spoils and benefits of living in society come with costs, and being up to date with necessary vaccinations should be one of them.

Digital health passport trials under way. Am certain vaccination will be mandatory for travel, at least. .www.theguardian.com/world/2020/oct/17/digital-health-passport-trials-commonpass-travel-covid-19

Where there's risk there must always be choice. Compulsory vaccination to do anything at all is the thin edge of an extremely dangerous wedge. Easy to shrug your shoulders about it having any element of compulsion if you fully intend to have it but actually you should still be concerned about it. Where does it end? Once you've chipped away at bodily autonomy like that, you'll start a ball rolling that we'll all regret.

I'm all up for transparent information about it, making it easily and freely available and educating people about its benefits. But that's where it ends.

Making this one compulsory is mad. It's not compulsory to have BCG or measles vaccine before you travel so why start with this?? Ridiculous. The more we talk about it the more it encourages them to go down this mad route.

@PinkFondantFancy

Making this one compulsory is mad. It's not compulsory to have BCG or measles vaccine before you travel so why start with this?? Ridiculous. The more we talk about it the more it encourages them to go down this mad route.

It was confirmed by all from Johnson to CMO tonight it won’t be compulsory, at the briefing.

No one is forcing it and the intention is to offer it to every adult in the UK over the course of 2021, as doses become available.

My understanding if that they are expecting 40 million doses of Pfizer and another 40 million doses of AZ over the first few months of 2021, with more doses of AZ to follow.

The proposed dosing regimen for AZ would actually give us 60 million doses so we would then have the 100 million we need to pretty much cover the entire adult population.

No one will be forced but I would expect availability to all adults in fairly short order.

The UK has been pretty clear about its approach to vaccination. They want to maintain the high levels of uptake they achieve every year. They have established that voluntary = high uptake. The only people who want to talk about compulsory vaccination are anti vaccine.

I reckon they will do the whole population but set low uptake expectations for under 50s. You’ll get the offer but not a lot of follow up if you say no.

I predict a summer of posts from people who need to be vaccinated for a holiday in 2 weeks time but haven’t booked a vaccine once never mind twice.

Great news that they've confirmed that stance. I agree - being transparent and keeping it voluntary is how we build trust and mutual respect.

Boris said on the news that it will not be compulsory, and he encouraged everyone to get it. He mentioned the anti vaxers.

I would feel better about it if they covered people who would t be able to have it.

For example, I have been told I can’t have the flu vaccine because I react badly to it due to an autoimmune condition. The nurse the other day said this might well be the same.

I don’t think they will force us though

Some won’t advise on medical grounds

Yellow fever vaccinations are mandatory for travellers to many countries. I fail to see how this is in any way different.

There was a really interesting piece on Radio 4 earlier (maybe on the PM programme) explaining how they managed to develop the vaccine so quickly. From what I remember there were several points, including endless cash available rather than researchers having to argue their corner & compete against other areas of research for limited funding; more collaboration than is normal between 'competing' researchers; lots more staff available having dropped other research; govts and others making all the regulatory side as efficient and smooth as possible. There was also something about existing research for coronavirus vaccines meant that they'd already done a lot of relevant work. It was very reassuring, because (as I understood it) it was basically saying that drugs could be developed this quickly in normal times, it's just that there are so many other demands on the time, resources, workers and funds available.

@CorianderLord

I'm surprised at so many people who are against the vaccine but who were very against anti-Vaxx before Covid

Probably because most of the Covid vaccines that appear to be closest to being approved are based on new technology (e.g. mRNA immunotherapy) never used before in humans.

This is very different to existing traditional vaccines (e.g. tetanus, polio) which are vaccines that have been used for years.

imho, once we do healthcare workers and the vulnerable, any remaining vaccine should be used in developing countries.
Once thats done, sure vaccinate everyone else.

If we don't we ran the risk the CV could mutate if left to its on devices, we need to aim for eradication.