Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

I hope so.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix

This is the Swine Flu vaccine from 2009. It caused narcolepsy.

Eleven years ago a vaccine was rushed through with adverse effects. I'm happy to be at the end of the queue for this one.

No one is going to make anyone take a vaccine they don't want. The government can't even be bothered to check if people are quarantining, they're hardly going to be hunting people down and sticking needles in their arms.

The rabid anti-vaxxers can probably get away with never having it, and just stay in Blighty with their tin foil hats on, but I reckon the fence-sitters will come to their senses when they realise they can't go on a holiday abroad without it.

I feel moderately smug that I'm in a vaccine trial and there's a 50% chance I've had the vaccine. If I've had the placebo I'll be first in the queue (when it's my turn of course ) for the real thing.

Are people not keen on the vaccine also against the MMR? Because there was a lot of controversy about that causing autism and so on. ( which of course turned out to be entirely false). But I know people who have not given their kids the MMR vaccine because they believed the controversy.

If I was pregnant I would be treating it like any other vaccine. The reason pregnant women are told to get the flu and whooping cough vaccines is because not only are those diseases serious if caught when pregnant, but they provide vital immunity to the baby once born when they are too young to be vaccinated themselves.

It’s very likely that the COVID vaccines have the same effect. Why wouldn’t you want to protect your newborn baby from COVID?

I would get the vaccine unless they specifically say pregnant women shouldn’t have it.

@Gigheimer

I wonder how they will handle those who are ethically opposed if the vaccines and one of those the Catholic Church is saying should not be used? Suspect the Islamic faith would follow suit if they knew they are developed using cell lines from aborted feral tissue.

Now I actually don’t care, but the theory is interesting if they make it mandatory.

I am completely against mandatory vaccination.

Islam allows things that are typically not permitted to be used if they are in medications etc. Thats why children can have the nasal flu vaccine.

@Username198

I’m young and healthy so I think the risk of the vaccine for me is greater than the risk of the virus. I’d probably feel differently if it was something like Ebola but any vaccine carries a risk and things have gone wrong in the past.

But it’s been proved anyone can get “long covid”. With the country opening up as more people get vaccinated, the chance of catching it will, I think, increase (as it’s not 100%) effective, so you are just hoping for luck to be on your side that if you catch it, you won’t get seriously ill from it (or you won’t pass it to someone who might get seriously ill for example) I think that’s a risky attitude to have.

But if / when people are vaccinated, the figures suggest you will probably not get it and if you do, you won’t get seriously ill from it.

it’s extremely sad if someone who “won’t” get the vaccine for whatever reason, gets seriously ill or dies because “they are young and fit and it won’t happen to them”

Not to mention everyone who cannot be vaccinated for whatever reason running the risk of being with a load of unvaccinated buy carriers!

[quote rhowton]@Funkypolar they're very unlikely to have tested on pregnant woman so I doubt they will be able to have it, as well as breast feeding mums. The risk to under 45s are low anyway (I know woman older than 45 can be pregnant , but it's rare). [/quote]
The risks are not so low for pregnant women. Pregnancy alters the immune system function, and also puts additional strain on the lungs and cardiovascular system. Both flu and Covid target these - hence why we give pregnant women the flu vaccine when we don't give it to the general population in younger age groups. And why we would probably offer it to pregnant women. The increased risk is small, but it is there. The NHS would not waste money giving flu vaccines to women if there was no reason to do so. There are reasons. You are at greater risk of becoming seriously ill.

I'm also a bit concerned in light of the swine flu side effects...does anyone have knowledge if/if not that could be a risk here?

As @DianaBrackley says that was only eleven years ago and for (what I understand) is the same family of virus.

I really don't want to be an anti-vaxxer but I do feel nervous about this one....

At the end of the day - the cost benefit analysis will have to be that even if there are small risks of serious adverse side effects in a small individuals this would be far outweighed by the far higher benefit to society as a whole. I just don't want to be one of those unlucky small group of individuals....

@Lilybet1980

If I was pregnant I would be treating it like any other vaccine. The reason pregnant women are told to get the flu and whooping cough vaccines is because not only are those diseases serious if caught when pregnant, but they provide vital immunity to the baby once born when they are too young to be vaccinated themselves.

It’s very likely that the COVID vaccines have the same effect. Why wouldn’t you want to protect your newborn baby from COVID?

I would get the vaccine unless they specifically say pregnant women shouldn’t have it.

Couldn’t agree more! We don’t have the data on whether it’s safe for pregnant women but if it is, I’m taking it!

India has plenty of Muslims and Catholics. The government still decided to make vaccines mandatory for school admissions on the basis that religion should not result in millions dying. It's how we eliminated polio. .There is precedent for public health outweighing religion. As it should.

@DianaBrackley

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandemrix

This is the Swine Flu vaccine from 2009. It caused narcolepsy.

Eleven years ago a vaccine was rushed through with adverse effects. I'm happy to be at the end of the queue for this one.

You do realise the risk of developing narcoplepsy was increased by 0.005%. Thats a very low incidence.

@DianaBrackley

That was one in 55000 who had the vaccine . The risk of dieing from covid is thought to be between 1 to 3 in 100 .

That also was 11 years ago so hopefully vaccine research has come a long way .

I’m pretty sure I’ll have to have it due to my job. Same as I had to have a hep b vaccination.

@Closingtime94 we don't know much about it.

Aaargh!!!!! We know LOADS about it. My friend said the exact same thing so I wrote back to her with a bunch of references to various scientific journals with a whole lot of research in them, and she replied she still didn’t know much because it was all a bit scientific so she didn’t read it.

I find the people most likely to say ‘we don't know much about it’ are those least likely to read up on how much we actually do know.

@Crazycatlady83

Like I said there’s a risk with both options and incredibly naive to think otherwise. I’ve considered, consulted with friends who work in the sector and concluded the vaccine poses the greater risk.

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-55048438

And so it starts

How do people think that patients who are CEV with auto immune diseases like AS reading things like this .Their lives through this have been scarier than most and the vaccine has been untested on these kinds of illness so if they have it they could be in a worse position ,they just don’t know . So personally I hope people with think of others and have the vaccine.

The update this evening confirmed there will not be forced vaccinations.

So perhaps the conspiracy hysteria on my local facebook group will be redirected somewhere else. The Earth being flat or other nonsense hopefully.

Can all people even have the vaccine? Can pregnant women? Immunosuppressed?

@OverTheRainbow88

That does not make it compulsory . Just don’t fly to certain countries.

You already can’t go to some areas with out vaccinations.

@OverTheRainbow88

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-australia-55048438

And so it starts

This makes absolute sense to me. And will convince many vaccine refusers to change their mind I'm sure. As I'm sure many other airlines will follow suit.

@Unsure33

How do people think that patients who are CEV with auto immune diseases like AS reading things like this .Their lives through this have been scarier than most and the vaccine has been untested on these kinds of illness so if they have it they could be in a worse position ,they just don’t know . So personally I hope people with think of others and have the vaccine.

I agree. We need as many people as possible to have the vaccine to protect those that can't, for whatever reason, whether ECV or pregnant or whatever.

@OverTheRainbow88

They are still researching some areas . In fact the Oxford vaccine is the more likely one for autoimmune diseases apparently.

They are running trials imminently.,

Why only accept proof of vaccination? Proof of immunity would make more sense. Just because you’ve had the vaccine won’t necessarily make you immune and you can be immune through having the infection itself. Seems a bit silly.