Do you think they'll force the vaccine on us?

[Closingtime94]

Just that really and I don't mean like they'll force us down and demand we get it but do you think if we want to travel or be admitted to hospital or whatever they'll say we have to have the vaccine or do you think they'll be more like to encourage the older population to have it for those reasons?

I'm just a bit worried as I don't really want to have the vaccine not because I think they're going to put a microchip in us but mostly because it was done very quickly and we don't know much about it, this is the first year I've gotten the flu jab (because pregnant) and ended up really poorly so just a bit wary of the covid jab that's all - maybe I'm worrying over nothing but it's interesting to know what other people think.

It won't be forced, that's ridiculous and a rumour/idea that needs to be stopped now. Don't add to the conspiracies and hysteria.

However I absolutely do think there will be travel restrictions for those who refuse to have it. In that sense it isn't forcing it, but you can't honestly expect life to be normal now. Seems entirely fair and reasonable to me.

If they were going to enforce vaccination, why haven't they enforced it for TB, for instance? Why would Covid be so bloody special?

(I haven't had a TB vaccination, btw, and wouldn't be having a Covid one either - not anti-vaccination generally, but I am just not that paranoid about Covid).

Of course we won’t be forced to have the vaccine. This is Britain, not North Korea.

But choosing not to be vaccinated will have consequences. Qantas are the first major airline to announce that passengers will need to provide proof of vaccination, but I expect other airlines, cruise companies (particularly so given their demographic), resorts, concert venues etc etc to impose similar rules. It is also very likely that many countries will require proof of vaccination to allow foreigners to enter.

@MrDarcysMa

No they can't force us - but equally why should they let us on a plane with chemo patients/ vulnerable babies etc when we could potentially be carrying a deadly virus 🤷‍♀️

We could all be carrying some awful virus at any time. It's not just bloody Covid!

I’m undecided about the vaccine yet. However, in relation to pharmaceutical companies, they are huge money-making operations. I came across this a while ago www.corp-research.org/pfizer

I'm pregnant and would love to be vaccinated, ideally before I hit my third trimester when the risk posed by coronavirus increases. I'm also a teacher, and there's a lot of covid about in my school, and very little opportunity to distance. The thought of a vaccine in the next couple of months is all that's keeping my anxiety at bay...

Yes, OP, anyone who resists will be forcibly strapped down and injected with the poison injection. Meanwhile, the sensible people of this country will have the jab and then be able to go on holiday, etc. Your choice!

@CoronaIsWatching

I'm only 32 with no under lying illness, I hope I have the option to pay to get it done privately and get a certificate that lets me travel, go to the thetre, the pub anything I want with no restrictions

Given that there's a limit on how fast any vaccine can be produced I really hope they stick to what they've said so far and don't allow any private sales until the vunerable around the world have been vaccinated

I know the Oxford team have already said they won't profit from treatments for third world countries, I hope they also make sure they are higher up the queue than the first world low risk population

[quote trulydelicious]@Crazycatlady83

And as more people are going to have the vaccine rather than not

What makes you believe that?[/quote]
All recent polls indicate the majority of people will take the vaccine

The UK won't force it on you but other countries may insist you have it to travel and you may need it to come back here, who knows. The speed of the vaccine has nothing to do with a lack of safety and everything to do with the will of the entire western world focusing on finding a solution, and masses of funding. It will be as safe as any other vaccine is when it comes to market!

Pregnant women almost certainly won't be offered the vaccine anyway (possibly also breastfeeding women).

I hope so for those who can have it. There will always be exceptions but unless there is a mass vaccination programme C19 will be ever present.

[quote trulydelicious]@Crazycatlady83

Although as it’s a “traditional” vaccine I would like to see if it’s safe in pregnant women

Exactly which vaccine are you referring to?[/quote]
The flu vaccine is a “traditional” vaccine, and obviously pregnant women are offered this. The Oxford vaccine is based on the same technology. Whilst the Pfizer is new technology.

I don't know if this is the most constructive answer, but what makes you think that this government is capable of organizing forced mass vaccinations? Given their previous piss-up/brewery failures, what are the chances that they could manage it?

Well I will have yours. The fact that we had a waiting list of doctors and nurses wanting to take part on the trial should tell you enough. If it doesn’t the vaccine has been through all the correct trials and safety checks, it’s been ‘rushed through’ because medics have pulled out all the stops and literally bust a gut to get it all done in record time.

No, I think the demand will outweigh the supply, just as it does with the flu vaccine every year, so I don't think forcing people who don't want it to have it will happen.

The vaccine program will be primary care led, the plans are amazing. GPs absolutely can organise a very good piss up in a brewery.

The flu vaccine is a “traditional” vaccine, and obviously pregnant women are offered this. The Oxford vaccine is based on the same technology

Not really.

The flu jab is a dead virus. The Oxford vaccine is an attenypuated love adenovirus which has been modified to carry the corona 'spike'

AstraZeneca have said that they are going to distribute the vaccine during the pandemic on a not for profit basis which hopefully will put pps minds at rest re companies only doing this for profit.

I am a senior scientist in the Pharm industry, we've been doing a lot of Covid-19 work this year as you might imagine. I would absolutely take the vaccine, we are doing parallel development and the regulatory authorities are fast tracking Covid projects but there has been no corner cutting in the trials and safety assessments. The regulators are independent anyway so wouldn't allow it to happen.

Having said that (and while I personally disagree with the views of anti-vaxers) it would be a massive change in our human rights to insist that we had to take a medical treatment. Our right to refuse medical treatment is a fundamental right. It may be that some countries insist you need to be vaccinated to travel but I would be very surprised if a British Conservative government changed the law to force vaccination. There would be a backbench rebellion and it would never get through the Lords. The fact that the vaccines we have results for so far lookso effective means the likelihood of forced vaccination is much lower, if we only need 60% of the population to be immune and the vaccines are over 90% effective then the numbers of people who would refuse to be vaccinated needs to be pretty big for it to be an issue.

@worriedwellworrier

Well I will have yours. The fact that we had a waiting list of doctors and nurses wanting to take part on the trial should tell you enough. If it doesn’t the vaccine has been through all the correct trials and safety checks, it’s been ‘rushed through’ because medics have pulled out all the stops and literally bust a gut to get it all done in record time.

According to the team who developed it the speed is due to money being thrown at it and a large pool of volunteers to test it

Rather than this being rushed one could argue that other pharmaceutical developments are painfully slow.

I don’t think the Gov will force us, but I wonder if companies will make it harder for those who don’t.

Like proof of vaccination when booking a ticket to a concert or flight- that sort of thing

@DontDribbleOnTheCarpet

I don't know if this is the most constructive answer, but what makes you think that this government is capable of organizing forced mass vaccinations? Given their previous piss-up/brewery failures, what are the chances that they could manage it?

As said by others, it won't be the govt forcing vaccinations, it will be the likes of airlines, cruise firms, and maybe employers. If you want to fly/cruise or get a job in some places, then a pre-condition will be proof of having the vaccine.

Can you imagine how sheepish people will feel if they refuse the vaccine and end up in hospital with a serious case of Covid? On an isolation ward with staff still having to wear full PPE due to the potential of them spreading (rather than getting I'll with it themselves). I can't imagine you'll feel welcomed! Ethically, how would you feel taking space and resources when a vaccine isn't available. One could argue that smokers or obese people might take up resources, but their issues don't have the quick fix of a free injection - the damage is already done.
Or, they test positive for Covid in the workplace. All their vaccinated colleagues now have to be careful in case it can still be transmitted.

@user1471588124
“No big deal if you can afford it. Its clear young people will be way down the NHS vaccine priority list so low income, young and healthy people will be completely screwed over once again. No travelling (and probably cinemas or restaurants etc) for them unless they can afford to go private.”

But vaccines are not expensive and considering these are the people that will be most wanting to get back into socialising and drinking I don’t think the cost of a few pints of beer or a few packets of cigarettes will be that difficult to find.