Horrified that people still don't get it

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And I say this as someone who has essential hospital care delayed. But if hospital beds in ICU are full of patients with coronavirus, how do you expect hoz

When I speak to HCPs in different trusts, they're still doing all the same work but in a remote way at times, it only changes if numbers are so high that they're redeployed

Both the issues I mentioned above are things that just cannot be done remotely. No suggestion that the staff have been deployed, the HV certainly is still in her role but said she’s not seeing anyone for the foreseeable.
I am so bloody anxious about my child and was just brushed off.

@Retiremental

Denial, selfishness, lack of reslience, shit decision making from the highest levels of government down to the individual man on the street have led us to the shitshow where we are now. You only have to look at MN threads to see the ‘me me me’ mentality. Modern British society is completely and utterly repugnant. We could have saved lives, we could have saved businesses. We didn’t need to have an NHS on it’s knees.

And do you include yourself in that @Retiremental? Or are you the lone saint in a sea of vileness? And very keen of self-righteous generalising

I don’t think the majority don’t get it, just that their wants come first. You only have to look at how many have said they will break the rules at Christmas to see that.

Exactly. Nobody wants this, but unless we ALL take responsibility for protecting each other, it won't be going away any time soon.

I think people are done with it because its been such a shit show from the government. Letting students live together but shutting gyms is a personal irritant of mine.

I hate that attitude @Retiremental. We complied brilliantly in the first lockdown.”, despite minimal enforcement. We complied out of goodwill.

9 months in and with no clear exit strategy (until perhaps this week with Pfizer announcement), people are weary. I rather suspect that’s a being human thing, rather than an aren’t-brits-substandard-people thing.

Sorry for random punctuation in first paragraph.

We didn’t need to have an NHS on it’s knees.

No we didn't. But it's on its knees every bloody winter, yet people still insist on voting Conservative. This is a party which was ideologically opposed to the NHS from its inception.

Some folk still, months later, cannot fathom the delay between positive tests, then a couple of weeks admissions go up then ICUs fill up etc.

It's still useful for people to know.

@WhoopsSomethingWentWrong

When I speak to HCPs in different trusts, they're still doing all the same work but in a remote way at times, it only changes if numbers are so high that they're redeployed

Both the issues I mentioned above are things that just cannot be done remotely. No suggestion that the staff have been deployed, the HV certainly is still in her role but said she’s not seeing anyone for the foreseeable.
I am so bloody anxious about my child and was just brushed off.

You'd be surprised, my son has a learning disability and autism so we had a lot of assessments when he was younger around developmental delay. The vast majority were interview based - taking history etc, or watching him play. Absolutely no reason you'd have to be in the room with a professional for those. The only reason you need to be face to face really is if the assessment relies on touch / manipulation of a body part or very close examination.

Is it worth asking them if they're doing remote consultations? Obviously not if you feel that the assessment really needs to be face to face.

@Jaxhog

I don’t think the majority don’t get it, just that their wants come first. You only have to look at how many have said they will break the rules at Christmas to see that.

Exactly. Nobody wants this, but unless we ALL take responsibility for protecting each other, it won't be going away any time soon.

Yeah because we all feel like protecting people who call us murderers for buying Easter eggs and telling us to put cheese in tea. You catch more flies with honey.

@FractionalGains

I hate that attitude *@Retiremental*. We complied brilliantly in the first lockdown.”, despite minimal enforcement. We complied out of goodwill.

9 months in and with no clear exit strategy (until perhaps this week with Pfizer announcement), people are weary. I rather suspect that’s a being human thing, rather than an aren’t-brits-substandard-people thing.

Exactly this.

We are not a lone country of awfulness and selfishness in a world otherwise full of good countries with non-selfish populations. This has been a fuck up everywhere, and people all over the world people are sick of it.

We did what was asked of us in the spring, and much more besides. It has been said time and again that the level of compliance from the UK population as a whole was far greater than predicted. Yet that goodwill and the time it bought was squandered. I for one am fed up of being blamed for this.

Is it worth asking them if they're doing remote consultations? Obviously not if you feel that the assessment really needs to be face to face

The HV was the person who told me that this particular issue would be difficult to deal with remotely and that she was sorry she couldn’t do anything at the moment. Id have taken anything I was offered, as I’m up all night worrying at the moment.

@WhoopsSomethingWentWrong

Is it worth asking them if they're doing remote consultations? Obviously not if you feel that the assessment really needs to be face to face

The HV was the person who told me that this particular issue would be difficult to deal with remotely and that she was sorry she couldn’t do anything at the moment. Id have taken anything I was offered, as I’m up all night worrying at the moment.

Im sorry to hear that, could you ask your GP to refer you to OT? They usually have really long waiting lists but at least you'd be on it, I also know that they're still working.

FWIW my sons HV was shite, she looked at him from a distance and said he seems OK. It was at a hearing test that the medic took one look at him and said are you seeing anyone about his developmental delay?

Im sorry to hear that, could you ask your GP to refer you to OT? They usually have really long waiting lists but at least you'd be on it, I also know that they're still working

Without getting into a complete saga, I tried to book a telephone consultation with the GP, but I had a message before the call saying that it was cancelled as child development should be done through the HV. I explained the situation and was still refused an appointment.
I am selling my car to pay for private care.

I have been on threads where I have been told that my son shouldn't be allowed leave the house or be allowed access to medical treatment because he cannot wear a mask and it doesn't matter how much he hurts himself, he shouldn't have any reasonable adjustments that allow him to continue functioning or be able live at home.
The people saying those things in the name of "we all have to do our bit" are also selfish.

@BloomShine

There were 28,000 deaths caused by flu in the worst of the past five years (and it doesn't cause the equivalent of long COVID in 1 in 5 people or psychiatric disorders in 1 in 10 people like COViD does).

There is no way 20% get long Covid or 10% get psychiatric disorders. You say facts are important and then come out with this nonsense. Covid is mild to moderate for the vast majority. The very old, very frail and obsess are most at risk from getting a severe dose.

I suggest you read a few of the Covid support groups on Facebook. Read the posts from all the young people who have been very ill for months like the previously fit young men in their 30s (one a personal trainer) now totally wheelchair bound seven or eight months post-Covid, young mothers talking about their children being in ICU, fathers who are now single parents after losing their wives, the young girl who has lost both her parents, and hundreds of under-40s bedbound, unable to breathe months after becoming infected and unable to do anything "normal" because of long Covid. Read those groups and you will realise how wrong you are.

@WhoopsSomethingWentWrong

Im sorry to hear that, could you ask your GP to refer you to OT? They usually have really long waiting lists but at least you'd be on it, I also know that they're still working

Without getting into a complete saga, I tried to book a telephone consultation with the GP, but I had a message before the call saying that it was cancelled as child development should be done through the HV. I explained the situation and was still refused an appointment.
I am selling my car to pay for private care.

Write to the practice manager and CC the children's commissioner for your area.

Explain that your HV is not doing face to face consultations and that you are requesting alternative referrals.

At one point where my son was being told he couldn't stay in mainstream education but we couldn't find a service to take him on I did this. Funnily enough we got seen pretty quickly.

I'd say PM me and I'll try to help, but I don't know how to read PMs on here!

Thank you for your advice @ineedsun, it’s helpful

I've just spent the whole week working with someone with covid symptoms who didn't tell me he had symptoms because he didn't want to lose any work money. He doesn't get paid sick leave. Hes just been tested positive. Now I have symptoms and I'm sitting outside a testing station waiting for a test. I have sick elderly parents to look after. I want to wring the selfish bastards neck.

I wish I could help properly, it's such a difficult time and at the best of times provision for kids can be bloody awful.

I don't want to offer all those platitudes that people churn out, especially when there's a whole backstory that I don't know, so I will just say that I hope everything works out well for you.

@madcatladyforever

I've just spent the whole week working with someone with covid symptoms who didn't tell me he had symptoms because he didn't want to lose any work money. He doesn't get paid sick leave. Hes just been tested positive. Now I have symptoms and I'm sitting outside a testing station waiting for a test. I have sick elderly parents to look after. I want to wring the selfish bastards neck.

Maybe you should want to wrong the next of the selfish bastards who don't pay sick pay? Or an actual liveable amount? Or the government who seem to think only people on UC are struggling? Because THEY are the root cause of the problem. Be angry at THEM.

@HesterShaw1

We didn’t need to have an NHS on it’s knees.

No we didn't. But it's on its knees every bloody winter, yet people still insist on voting Conservative. This is a party which was ideologically opposed to the NHS from its inception.

Exactly.

We have the NHS people voted for. With not enough capacity in even a normal winter

The message does more clearly need to be given that this is not about '83 year olds must on no account be allowed to die', it's entirely about hospital overwhelm, but that's a slightly more subtle thing to understand, so there's a number of people who Just Refuse To Get It.

@madcatladyforever

I've just spent the whole week working with someone with covid symptoms who didn't tell me he had symptoms because he didn't want to lose any work money. He doesn't get paid sick leave. Hes just been tested positive. Now I have symptoms and I'm sitting outside a testing station waiting for a test. I have sick elderly parents to look after. I want to wring the selfish bastards neck.

That’s really bad, and I would never do this and don’t condone it. BUT I am coming at this from a place of having enough pennies in the bank to cover the time off work. If people don’t it can hardly be surprising that they are going to put their responsibilities to their families first. I think it’s wrong and short sighted as it’s going to keep spreading the virus but I am not sure prioritising keeping a roof over his family’s head and food on the table is selfish. They will of course be as important to him as your elderly parents are to you. Blame the government for not properly supporting people to isolate