Horrified that people still don't get it

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And I say this as someone who has essential hospital care delayed. But if hospital beds in ICU are full of patients with coronavirus, how do you expect hoz

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Your comment needs to be read by everyone. Simply put, it's shocking and hits you in the stomach and heart. A voice from the frontline. People are becoming more relaxed about their social interactions. In the supermarket someone told me I was being OTT because I waited for them to move before I passed. I remarked that thousands of people are dying..but that no longer has an effect. Your words do. Saying goodbye forever to your Mother, Father, Child, via an App such as FaceTime, is so heartbreaking I can hardly bear to think of it. Every individual needs to step up and not take unnessary risks, it is the butterfly effect, what we do now has consequences for others a few days down the line. There will be many times to celebrate in the future, this Christmas is not the time for gatherings of any size. If we want future celebrations, we need to have a different December 25th this year, it is one day, is that such a sacrifice?

Ineke thank you, it seems like no-one wants to hear though as you can see by this thread ending!

We can only imagine what will happen the weeks after Christmas. But people can't think or won't think about the consequences.

People always blame someone else, he told me to, governments fault, so, I didn't understand, I'm only young it's my time. We are our own master (hopefully) we need to get it together and think before we act

How do you expect them to care for other patients? It's not about prioritising coronavirus over other illnesses. It is about staff and capacity for other illnesses

But even when Covid was at its lowest over summer the NHS still couldn’t get its act together.

Dp has been waiting to see a consultant because of his cancer for a year. He finally had an appointment to go for a blood test and scan and consultants appointment in the summer. He went for the scan and blood test. Then they lost the blood test so he returned and did another and another. After they lost his 6th blood test he semi gave up. Now he has to await another appointment as the scan results are now too old and he has to have a current scan and blood test before he can see the consultant.

This isn’t about money. This is about incompetence.

If we want future celebrations, we need to have a different December 25th this year, it is one day, is that such a sacrifice

But we have sacrificed 4 months and then another month of our lives. We have lost jobs and businesses from which we will never recover. (Anyone want to employ a 65 year old as a director of their company)
We still have this disease and we are going to have to learn to live with it till it fizzles out.
One day isn’t going to make a difference in the grand scheme of things.

I know more people who have committed suicide because of harsh lockdowns whilst they were living abroad than I know people who have died from Covid.

If we are going to beat this shitty virus we need to help each other. If we don't, more people will die of other stuff as well as covid. My friends husband was diagnosed with cancer early March. Not a good time. I sympathise with everyone who needs treatment now. Like I said earlier unless it effects THEM ( the ones who seem not to give two hoots ) it just don't matter. I still go shopping and half the people dont or won't wear a mask

We won't beat it. Its endemic so will be the same as flu, pneumonia controlled by vaccine.

I know but we can slow it down, which we need to do so NHS can cope somewhat.

What upsets me is that we already are choosing who we want to live or die. We are prioritising people who might die of Covid over e.g. women who are at risk of being killed by partners and people who are at risk of suicide. Both causes of death have gone up massively but its seen as a price worth paying to prevent Covid deaths.

Unfortunately womans refuges have been closing for years

Unfortunately this virus has brought out the selfishness of many. Its about following guidelines to stop the spread. Until these selfish people are ill and need healthcare for something other than covid it wont affect them. Since March many hospital appointments have been cancelled and people are still waiting for treatment.

Like I said we live in a world of me me me people

It's pretty normal here not to anyone who's died because not that many people have died in our hospital trust. I do know a couple of people who have tested positive but were fine after a couple of weeks.

But this is not the norm. Most people do not live in areas like this. They live in urban areas where infection rates, and deaths, are high.

I live in such an urban area. I know, or know of, at least six people who have died of covid and not all of them elderly. An old friend of mine was in ICU with covid in April, she is in her early 50s and thankfully now recovered. Believe me, nothing quite brings covid home to you, when you find yourself lighting a candle and praying for a close friend, who you've known since school, recovery in your local ICU. I know of many others who have had covid since March

A few weeks ago a friend of mine, in 60s, died. Not a close friend but a friend nonetheless, who I've chatted with on the phone numerous times because he had spent a lot of time shielding. According to his neighbours, he had managed to call an ambulance himself and was still conscious as he was put into the ambulance. It's some comfort to know that he didn't die alone but if we hadn't been under restrictions, then the ambulance might not have come so quickly, if at all

@Sitdowncupoftea

Unfortunately this virus has brought out the selfishness of many. Its about following guidelines to stop the spread. Until these selfish people are ill and need healthcare for something other than covid it wont affect them. Since March many hospital appointments have been cancelled and people are still waiting for treatment.

Covid has divided the world into "selfish" and "non selfish" then?

No kind of nuance?

@ValancyRedfern

What upsets me is that we already are choosing who we want to live or die. We are prioritising people who might die of Covid over e.g. women who are at risk of being killed by partners and people who are at risk of suicide. Both causes of death have gone up massively but its seen as a price worth paying to prevent Covid deaths.

I agree it’s upsetting but when you’re faced with a health system that is going to be overwhelmed the the only thing you can do is act logically.

Logically domestic violence and suicide cannot be artificially controlled short term (I would agree that both have been criminally underfunded to date but that has nothing to do with a strategy that requires very short term results) which leaves us with the obvious overwhelming factor that we have some means of affecting which in this case is covid.

If we can keep covid under control then the impact for the services available for things like domestic violence, suicide, cancer treatment, treatment of chronic illnesses etc. means that they can actually function which isn’t possible if the health system/staffing availability is overwhelmed.