This scientist thinks we have got everything very, very wrong

[queenofknives]

I mean, he's pretty convincing so far tbh. Anyone else watching?

Re: the barrington declaration - just going to leave this here....

Seriously the 28 day figure is actually lower than the death certificate figures.
Incidents others have shared ONS data which suggests that in a high proportion of cases where COVID was on the death certificate it was the cause of death
I am sick and tired of hearing about deaths with COVID like once you have a pre existing condition however minor you can't possibly die of COVID.

@Tessiot Fantastic interpretation

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I'm not even against most of the restrictions (although some have had a devastating impact - e.g. no visits to care homes). However, there's clearly no debate about how covid is handled - there's an "accepted" view (lockdown etc.) and anyone who deviates from that view is painted as a crank or mad or "selfish" no matter how reasoned their argument.

@ILoveMyMonkey

How do people really not understand how low the death rate is. The UK has a population of 67,886,011 people and the covid death rate today is 50,365. As percentage that is 0.07%. That is extremely low. OP I'm with you, normal life again please.

50,365 people is more than the entire population of Barnstaple and it's surrounding villages and more than double of the all year population of Newquay. So not really a small amount of people.

Anyone can say what they like on a YouTube video.

Are his findings peer reviewed?

I'm so impressed with people here like Coffeeandcroissant who keep persisting with sharing actual stats that can be verified and actual science. It's a shame that people who have dug in to the GBD narrative have simply blocked up their minds so much that they will not listen to literal meaning. They simply quote the same things over and over about withcovid and butsweden and how people with underlying conditions shouldn't be counted in the totals because they are near to death anyway apparently. It's just so wearing so solidarity to those of you who keep trying

Reason not meaning.

I hope the tin hatters see the report on Sky news today from Coventry hospital.

A low IQ is no excuse for spreading lies.

@LastGoldenDaysOfSummer they will think that the patients must have just had the flu jab. Or looked pretty unhealthy to start with or had pre existing conditions etc etc. Or should have built their immune system up.

Will take a look.

I do not like lockdown and worry about the impact on the economy and people's jobs but I accept that for many reasons the government have very limited options available other than lockdown when cases are rising and hospitals are filling up. I think that the government have failed us badly by spaffing billions in dodgy contracts and a test and trace system that doesn't work. Perhaps also in hindsight the Eat Out, go back to work, mixing in large groups and green light to go on holidays was not such a good idea. If better decisions had been made by the government a second lockdown could have been avoided. That's what we need to be asking, not whether lockdowns work but why have the useless inept government allowed this to happen again. They promised us world beating everything and here we are in lockdown again with highest deaths in Europe.

@Olmec8

I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I'm not even against most of the restrictions (although some have had a devastating impact - e.g. no visits to care homes). However, there's clearly no debate about how covid is handled - there's an "accepted" view (lockdown etc.) and anyone who deviates from that view is painted as a crank or mad or "selfish" no matter how reasoned their argument.

So when when the numbers have got so high that track and trace isn't working and the number of daily cases have exceeded the last worst case scenario what do you suggest would be the best way of getting numbers down?

Do you have a link, @LastGoldenDaysOfSummer? Thank you.

Found it. Very worrying for that hospital at 99% capacity already, and many more

news.sky.com/story/covid-19-you-are-literally-fighting-for-your-breath-inside-intensive-care-unit-battling-deadly-second-wave-12130038

Don’t worry @Confuzzlediddled @queenofknives has said there are ‘certain possibilities’ for people like you. Now that is a clear cut plan I can get behind

He estimates that lockdown will cause at least 150,000 deaths in the U.K. alone from causes like poverty, domestic violence, child abuse, domestic violence, withdrawal of other treatments and screenings and suicides

I like to follow the science and SAGE, but I'll admit this really frightens me

Suicide is up 200% this year in uk

Hideous isn’t it. If only BJ and cronies had listened to sage earlier but here we are. Thank heavens for scientists who have developed a vaccine. Yes the figs are prob a mess but hopefully this soft lockdown will have some impact without total financial chaos.

Relative working in NHS hospital on Covid wards reports higher numbers now than in the Spring lockdown, almost half the wards are now Covid wards, sick people are younger than in first lockdown and not all have other conditions. Many staff shortages due to staff illness or self-isolation. It is grim. I believe the first hand evidence.

Hospitals are usually at capacity at this time of year due to chronic underfunding

@Newgirls

Hospitals are usually at capacity at this time of year due to chronic underfunding

Ffs. If you ever actually listened or read the articles you would hear them say time and time again that it's much worse than winter pressures Why don't you believe them??

530K deaths in the UK every year.
This year you have had 50K from/ with / maybe covid. What are the flu deaths like?
The survival rate for this disease is more than 97%
Sure people die but it is not an out of control disease - lots of cases and the deaths are in a small section of the community. That is very sad, I am not condoning or saying the people who died don't matter but the incidence rate and death rate are wildly apart.

The death rate is low only because hospital arent overrun and lockdown has worked.

In the centre if Wuhan in the centre of the epidemic the the death rate was significantly higher. Some doctors estimate closer to 40% of those presenting with symptoms. The death rate being directly effected by the number of people you can intubate at any one time. The average age of death or presenting with symptoms also lowers, (we are seeing that in this country with schools already).

You run out of ventilators the death rate very quickly rises. You run out of oxygen the death rate very quickly rises. Those excess deaths from other diseases rises because if your health service doesnt have the resources to treat them. Your medical professionals are become ill, all excess deaths rises.

This isn't a quick disease. 4-6months of unchecked spread it took in Wuhan. People have trouble grasping the impact of those long timeframes. Lockdown now, actually affects hospitalizations mid to end of December. Christmas. They've actually timed lockdown now so Christmas 2020 won't be associated with widescale death and hopefully our medical professionals might get out the hospital some point over the Christmas period.

The only way to avoid ongoing intermittent lockdowns ls is to prevent the disease getting a foothold in the first place (New Zealand) which we didn't do.

Or have enough ventilators for everyone who might need ventilation, which we don't (although it's better than it was).

It's all very easy to stomp our foot and say we want things back the way they were. But thats really all we're doing. It is noticeable that the populations than have done best are the ones where individual rights and freedoms are considered subservient to the needs of the community as a whole.

That's the real lesson

@Madhairday

I'm so impressed with people here like Coffeeandcroissant who keep persisting with sharing actual stats that can be verified and actual science. It's a shame that people who have dug in to the GBD narrative have simply blocked up their minds so much that they will not listen to literal meaning. They simply quote the same things over and over about withcovid and butsweden and how people with underlying conditions shouldn't be counted in the totals because they are near to death anyway apparently. It's just so wearing so solidarity to those of you who keep trying

Don't forget made up false testing rates and the vulnerable should simply be protected so we can just get on with our lives How can people be so deluded

Sleep my clumsy point is hospitals are overstretched anyway during winter due to this dire gov. Our city hospital is not at capacity though I completely believe others are worse than usual. Ours is below capacity and yet can’t catch up with ops due to extra cleaning and staff issues related to covid.