This scientist thinks we have got everything very, very wrong

[queenofknives]

I mean, he's pretty convincing so far tbh. Anyone else watching?

I'm getting to the point where I think the only way forward now is to ditch masks, forget about social distancing, ignore the lockdown and just go back to life. We can't lose all our rights and freedoms, give up the nhs and go into a devastating economic depression for a virus that kills virtually no one

OP, what should I say to my colleagues, one of them a very good friend, who contracted Covid in March and are still in and out of hospital with complications (lungs, heart, kidneys etc)? Am I to tell them their freedom hasn't been curtailed by the illness?

These were people of working age, one of them with a young family, people with no serious underlying conditions, people who thought they had many years of working life before them, and who are now wondering if they will ever be able to return to a normal life. Who may never work again. Who are unable to care for their families.

But- and this is to the point- who do NOT feature in any statistics because they're not actually dead. SO in your books, that would mean their experience doesn't matter. Shall I tell them that?

I have no words, we hit 50k deaths today with lockdown, with restrictions, better hygiene and masks, I wonder what number of deaths we would be looking at without those measures. I honestly despair with either this level of denial or stupidity.
So op, what would happen to the NHS if we let the virus run rampant, no restrictions? I actually think people who think like you are sick as are these so called rogue ‘experts’ on YouTube. You can fuck right off.

And another one bites the dust!

Seriously, how can you not get it yet? Countries don't take measures like this for nothing. There have been more than 50k deaths, not less, as the 50k doesn't include those who'd died of it but were never tested - a lot in the early months. Just look at the excess deaths. Do you not know people who have been seriously ill with it? It is a stealthy, dangerous and inpredictable disease, best avoided. A vaccine will be along fairly soon. For everybody else's sake, just be patient and stick to the rules. It's not that difficult.

Queen of knives. If I ever and when I see my late friends baby I will reassure her and her other child that. their mother wasn’t really anyone.

She was an nhs nurse working right through her pregnancy. She died giving birth from Covid. But alas she isn’t anybody really.

DFOD.

Do you not think that if this Govt could get away with just letting it rip through the population and shielding a few old and vulnerable people then that is exactly what they would do!They are hardly the most compassionate of Govt's are they!

So true! It's not as if they would be bothered by the ethics of forcing the vulnerable to shield. They know that the NHS is so underfunded it would collapse if Covid ran riot, which would mean no treatment for all those other conditions that some people on this thread deem more of a concern than Covid.

nearly 600 died today - just one day let alone the increasing number of hospitalised & those who have long lasting side effects many serious
but hey they don't count!

@Pasithea 💐 I’m so sorry and to all the others on this thread who have lost someone.
This thread needs to be taken down, it spreading bullshit and is callous. Vile trolls and it’s always the same names.

@randomer

500,000 is the average number of deaths in a calendar year in the UK. How does this connect to the Covid deaths this year?

fullfact.org/online/2020-death-toll-comparison/

Projected to have the highest annual deaths since 1985.

There is not a shred of integrity surrounding the Great Barrington Declaration. It's pretty much a public petition with no verification of signatories. Anyone can sign it.

And indeed they have, apparently including no fewer than seven Dr Harold Shipmans and Dr Notaf Uckingclue.....

These guys? Are you kidding me?'

It’s totally true

My mates an icu consultant

Of course they are.

If only there was some way to find out the Scientific consensus. Sadly, since Science and the media have completely ignored Covid 19 we must rely on the musings of random YouTubers for our information. This one is 'pretty convincing' so he's as good a source of information as any other.

I blame the Lizard people.

This thread needs to be taken down, it spreading bullshit and is callous. Vile trolls and it’s always the same names.

I ask MN every time but they won't. I don't understand how they can allow such outright lies.

I wonder if you are right OP

UK has such a high tally as they count “deaths with Covid” instead of “Deaths of Covid” , that always troubles me. My neighbour died if terminal cancer but as she got Covid in the hospital, she is down as a Covid death

We have also been fed false stars by the government

I don’t believe there is a greater conspiracy behind it other than the fact they exaggerate the numbers in a way to get more compliance.

It also troubles me that this “ new normal” means we will now semi-permanently live without freedom.

I predict a lot more lockdowns, not just for Covid but from now on for flu as well.

We’re protecting the elderly, the vulnerable and the NHS but throw everything else under the bus

it’s hard to know if that’s the right thing to do. It seems that politicians, left and right, seem to think it is

Am feeling deeply depressed about the end of personal freedom, I fear that at best we’ll have very short bursts of freedom in between ever more lockdowns until we are so used to lockdowns and restrictions it genuinely is the new normal

@queenofknives

I'm getting to the point where I think the only way forward now is to ditch masks, forget about social distancing, ignore the lockdown and just go back to life. We can't lose all our rights and freedoms, give up the nhs and go into a devastating economic depression for a virus that kills virtually no one.

Well it's just killed my uncle, but as he's nobody I'm sure it's not an important statistic.

@Anniegetyourgun

I'm sorry to hear you're suffering so much. I agree it is unbelievably cruel. Humans are social animals - we need each other, we need physical contact, we need social contact - when humans don't have this, we get sick. Isolation is a genuine punishment for prisoners - being forcibly isolated is known to be inhumane.

But you're quite happy to inflict it on a significant proportion of the population who have the bad judgement to be in some way vulnerable.

Ah but it's fine, you see, because we don't matter. We're going to die anyway and therefore should not be counted in the death rates. We're just being selfish if we ask for our mental health to be considered because the young and the fit matter more than us.

@queenofknives

I'm getting to the point where I think the only way forward now is to ditch masks, forget about social distancing, ignore the lockdown and just go back to life. We can't lose all our rights and freedoms, give up the nhs and go into a devastating economic depression for a virus that kills virtually no one.

OP be under no illusion this is very very real and it is killing people. I was listening to LBC this week and a doctor phoned in and he in tears and very emotional about the situation. He lost his own father to it and has seen countless others die. This is killing people of all ages. My own dad is vulnerable I don’t want to take a chance on his life. I have friends who are scientists one works for PHE and they told me the only way out of this will be a vaccine.

Do you not think that if this Govt could get away with just letting it rip through the population and shielding a few old and vulnerable people then that is exactly what they would do!They are hardly the most compassionate of Govt's are they!

This exactly

If it wasn’t for the exponential growth the government wouldn’t give 2 fucks about Coronavirus

Firstly the UK surpassed 50,000 deaths ages ago, sometime in September that figure was exceeded but the government are manipulating the figures.

The current figure which include appropriate investigations are in excess of 60,000, you know those deaths which involve CORONERS. As reported by the ONS.

Secondly, that figure is MONTHS behind reality. Because coroners haven't been operating throughout the pandemic.

I've lost a family member to this who most certainly was not going to die anyway as they were physically fit and healthy prior to getting ill months ago. They died a long horrible death and were unrecognisable when I last "saw" them. They currently do not feature in these numbers because they died outside the 28 days of diagnosis.

My sisters unborn baby who died as a result of her catching covid and the horrendous time she went through and still is due to being so I'll doesn't count either.

Neither had any risk factors at all.

Perhaps some people around here should actually watch their relatives lose organs and die a long drawn out horrible death before making sarky comments about it being a "tiny number".

It also troubles me that this “ new normal” means we will now semi-permanently live without freedom.

Those who have developed LongCovid will. Not much freedom if you can't breathe properly and keep having heart attacks. The rest of us will probably go back to normal life within a year or so. They may never get to do that.

You need to go back and read my post again @MadridSun
I didn't say that there was a link between death rate and strictness of rules. I said that the countries that have done well with keeping numbers low have strict rules/high compliance with rules (like Japan and new Zealand). Perhaps I should have said OR instead of / to make myself clearer. Japan had high compliance with the rules, new Zealand had strict rules (severely limiting travel).

Japan did have a lockdown, but it wasn't given the same legal footing as in the uk. The Japanese had high compliance with observing the rules, including social distancing and mask wearing. There are also an interesting theory that high levels of vitamin d in the Japanese diet may be keeping numbers low.

However, that is a ridiculous misinterpretation of my words.

No, it's really not. They are your words.