AIBU just to be fucking happy there’s a vaccine?

[WouldBeGood]

Sick of all the continued moaning: oh, why can’t I get it?; oh, but it’s only 90% effective; etc etc.; oh selfish people will stop masks..

Just be happy! It’s great news. Life can resume.

Restaurants, galleries, parties, bars, dinner with friends, holidays: brilliant

‘‘Why would the NHS want to give someone a vaccine that could damage them’ they wouldn’t on purpose, but this has happened in the past - Thalidomide. ‘

Thalidomide wasn’t a vaccine

‘Why would the NHS want to give someone a vaccine that could damage them’ they wouldn’t on purpose, but this has happened in the past - Thalidomide. Some medications don’t prompt an immediate reaction, the impact is seen later.

Probably important to note that thalidomide is not a vaccine, however, yes it has happened. I wonder how many drugs the NHS has prescribed over the years and what percentage of them have caused problems? You can only name one.

My understanding is that Thalidomide prompted an extensive review of safety standards anyway.

@latkit 😂

The law has been passed you cannot sue pharma for any long term effects that come out from a vaccine that is fished through!!!

Fundamental change!

There is no recourse, noone held accountable or responsible.

Why do you think they changed the law a few months ago.........??? Cos if this rushed vaccine in 2,3, 5 or 10yrs time turns out massive side effects to your health tough luck deal with it. You cant sue anyone to pay for the damage caused to you the costs you might have to face to deal with whatever your left with, what if it means you are left unable to work? Tough shit you won't be compensated.

@Suzi888

If you've done little or no research into it at all then I'm not really sure how you can have an opinion about it.

The reality is that there is a reason there are people whose job it is to interpret this type of data and make decisions on the best way forward. It requires a skill set that the vast majority of us simply do not have. Do I know more about vaccine development and epidemiology than the scientists engaged by the licensing authority who will make a decision on this? No, I don't. I suspect your GP and professor friends don't either.

The idea that anyone who is able to accept the limitations of their own knowledge and expertise and look to those who are more qualified to advise them is a "sheep" or naive is incredibly damaging in my view and often a way for people with a particular agenda to promote that agenda in spite of the fact that it is contrary to fact and evidence.

Sept 20th final sign off wednesday www.pfizer.com/news/press-release/press-release-detail/pfizer-and-biontech-potentially-supply-eu-200-million-doses

@Sunshinegirl82 but I should listen to you right...
“I suspect your GP and professor friends don't either” but I guarantee they know more than people in here.
I didn’t say thalidomide was a vaccine, I quoted someone else. ‘Medication’ ‘treatment’ whatever you want to call it.

Being ‘a professor’ doesn’t mean you know anything about drug development processes or how regulators make decisions, though. You can be a professor of Ancient Greek history! Being a GP means you’re closer to it, but still not necessarily an expert in pharma and clinical testing.

I don't care how many people choose not to have the vaccine provided they don't expect t me to carry on wearing a mask, distancing etc. They can go whistle if they want that. Otherwise up to each and their own assessment of their risk profile.

I'm cautiously optimistic in general.

But, I may be missing something but they are saying the UK has secured enough doses of the vaccine for 20 million people. So that still leaves over 45 million people... They also don't know yet how big a proportion of the population will need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. So with that in mind, I'm feeling quite pessimistic about my own chances as I certainly won't be within the first 20 million to qualify for the vaccination.

@Devlesko

Gosh you are naive and so easily pleased. it usually takes years to determine a safe vaccine. So glad so many are happy to be guinea pigs though, so we all don't have to, to those who will be in the queue.

Grow up. Try reading about how much safety testing had already been done for other coronovirus vaccines.

@viccat

I'm cautiously optimistic in general.

But, I may be missing something but they are saying the UK has secured enough doses of the vaccine for 20 million people. So that still leaves over 45 million people... They also don't know yet how big a proportion of the population will need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity. So with that in mind, I'm feeling quite pessimistic about my own chances as I certainly won't be within the first 20 million to qualify for the vaccination.

Kids won't be vaccinated yet, as it has been been tested in children yet.

Has not been tested in kids

Viccat, the 20 million is just this one vaccine. We have others preordered as well, including the Oxford vaccine which is very close to announcing results and could even have passed the regulators before Pfizer. Prof John Bell said yesterday that one of the things that made yesterday’s news so important was that other vaccines had shown similar effects on the immune system to Pfizer so the fact this one works so well makes it extremely likely others will be equally effective.
Until yesterday we didn’t know for certain a covid vaccine was possible- it looked like it ought to be but now we can be sure it is.

12 million children (under 16) in the UK so that still leaves 33 million people without a vaccine...

@viccat

12 million children (under 16) in the UK so that still leaves 33 million people without a vaccine...

Your glass is half empty.

@viccat

12 million children (under 16) in the UK so that still leaves 33 million people without a vaccine...

But is that a problem? Like really? Is it a problem?

How many people get the flu vaccine?

@viccat
You don't seem to understand how it works. Not everyone has to be immunized for things to return to normal. Once enough people are vaccinated, then levels of the virus drop dramatically.

@Suzi888

No, you should listen to the people who know what they're talking about. I.e. the people whose job it is to review this data and advise.

[quote Sunshinegirl82]@Suzi888

If you've done little or no research into it at all then I'm not really sure how you can have an opinion about it.

The reality is that there is a reason there are people whose job it is to interpret this type of data and make decisions on the best way forward. It requires a skill set that the vast majority of us simply do not have. Do I know more about vaccine development and epidemiology than the scientists engaged by the licensing authority who will make a decision on this? No, I don't. I suspect your GP and professor friends don't either.

The idea that anyone who is able to accept the limitations of their own knowledge and expertise and look to those who are more qualified to advise them is a "sheep" or naive is incredibly damaging in my view and often a way for people with a particular agenda to promote that agenda in spite of the fact that it is contrary to fact and evidence.[/quote]
Absolutely

@viccat the BBC said yesterday the government have pre ordered 300 million doses of vaccines in total. Obviously it’s a big undertaking, I think the people running vaccine programmes know that.

It’s a fantastic step forward. Looking forward to the end of the pandemic.

I think restrictions will be lifted once the first 3 groups have had the jab... Maybe masks in indoor public places like shops still until the first 5 groups... I can deal with that tho.

@viccat

12 million children (under 16) in the UK so that still leaves 33 million people without a vaccine...

That is irrelevant. Restrictions are in place to stop the NHS being overwhelmed. Those 33million would have a small Chance of being admitted to hospital with the virus and the NHS would never be under threat of being overwhelmed.

Once the risk of being overwhelmed is gone then restrictions will be lifted.

It is great news. The deaths and serious cases are climbing quickly.

and I’m not a scientist

Don't worry, we can tell.