AIBU just to be fucking happy there’s a vaccine?

[WouldBeGood]

Sick of all the continued moaning: oh, why can’t I get it?; oh, but it’s only 90% effective; etc etc.; oh selfish people will stop masks..

Just be happy! It’s great news. Life can resume.

Restaurants, galleries, parties, bars, dinner with friends, holidays: brilliant

Ray Moynihan & Alan Cassels: Selling Sickness : How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies are Turning us all into patients.

Well I'm with you, OP, it's brilliant news because even if it's not as effective as they say (rates often drop in bigger studies) it's better than anticipated. Also means that other vaccines using a similar approach are also likely to be effective and the government have ordered more than one.

I'm not at the top of the list but would be willing to delay my dose for someone more at risk to have it.

if we can’t be elated hearing the news that there is a possible vaccine in the near future that is 90% effective then when can we?!

Absolutely never. No joy allowed forever more. We all have to be as miserable as the most cynical person in the country so that they can go about their pessimism in peace.

@Mimishimi

Ray Moynihan & Alan Cassels: Selling Sickness : How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies are Turning us all into patients.

So when you get cancer, heart disease etc, you will refuse medication??? My arse you will

@Mimishimi

Ray Moynihan & Alan Cassels: Selling Sickness : How the World's Biggest Pharmaceutical Companies are Turning us all into patients.

You don’t want a vaccine available for this pandemic?

@OrangeBananaFish

YANBU. We all (well most of us) realise that nothing is going to change overnight and we're not suddenly going to be like we were in 2019, but this is the start of the end. Yes we know its going to take a few more months, but we're are getting closer. This is a good thing. It is a step in the right direction.

This ^

@cyclingmad

A bad day for Boris? How so? He has already got a deal in place for this vaccine meanwhile over in Europe they are still stuck in their procurement negotiations.

If this was other way round you would be calling for Boris head. At least acknowledge some good that out government has achieved in this respect.

I know the op was talking about the parliamentary vote but I agree it’s worth recognising how good it is we can deploy if all ok. That we ordered it early. There’d be a very different reaction if not. Worth being happy about.

I didn’t know that about Europe I thought they were home and hosed too with orders, that’s interesting.

For those critical of the track and trace system you do know that a lot of the problems are down to people not answering the phone to an unknown number or not ringing back ?

Yes we do know this which is why we are so fucked off that our stupid government set it up this way instead of using local public health teams on local numbers - as they were repeatedly told to do by public health experts.

But of course our stupid government doesn't listen to experts and has no worries about wasting £12 billion of taxpayers' money.

Stop blaming the public for government and Serco failures.

@marshaBradyo

EU has orders for vaccines from other companies not Pfizer.

Ppl poo poo brevity but this is one clear case were we are better off out, no lengthy stupid protracted procurement negotiations, they are negotiating for all 27 members so that always takes much longer.

We don't have to anymore. Boris/ government got a deal done with multiple pharmas including Pfizer. We're prepared and ready

A good iob should be recognised as much as the bad stuff is. Except you'll never see major media outlets publish it.

‘For those critical of the track and trace system you do know that a lot of the problems are down to people not answering the phone to an unknown number or not ringing back ?‘

Couldn’t this have been improved by using a really memorable central number and running adverts asking people to add it to their phone contacts? It seems like they have been a bit defeatist about this problem.

Gosh you are naive and so easily pleased.
it usually takes years to determine a safe vaccine.
So glad so many are happy to be guinea pigs though, so we all don't have to, to those who will be in the queue.

I agree with @devlesko I’m pleased that your pleased to have the vaccine at some point toward the end of 2021 . Be my guinea pig

It’s light at the end of the tunnel to a lot of people.

Pfizer the pharma company paying out settlements be ause they were taken to court for their Trovan drug thwy were trialling in Africa and administered to children without proper consent and alot of those children died. Trovan that was rejected by Europe for not being safe.

Pfizer admitted bribing doctors and government officials in all continents for a decade up to 2006.

They were also fined $2.3b for criminal and civil charges for promoting four of their drugs illegally. In other words the drugs were illegally marketed to help with x, when it was never approved. So Bextra was only allowed to be used for 3 things but they marketed it for pain relief after knee replacement surgery that wasn't approved and carries alot of risks.

How you you trust the vaccine from a company like that?

You do know they changed the law so you cannot sue a pharma company if the vaccine provided causes you side effects later on.

Are you really happy to inject yourself with this vaccine with no recourse and from a company with a long history of dubious practices.

Oh and not to mention there was an epilepsy drug which because it was branded fell under price regulation rules, Pfizer sold it to a company so it could be unbranded and then jacked up the price from a few £ to over £64, costing the NHS millions! We tried to sue them for that too.

But ya know stick your head in the sand and you can believe these pharam companies are here for the greater good and only want to help us. No they are here to line their own pockets.

@Devlesko @Suzi888

Do you know what you sound like? Have you looked into this at all? Have you watched any of the webinars or interviews with the scientists who are developing the vaccines? They have repeatedly, repeatedly, explained the time frames.

Refuse the vaccine by all means but if you're doing it based on bullshit from Facebook then more fool you. Plus your decision will have an impact on how quickly we get on top of this, don't think it won't.

Ah, bless. I'll put these passive aggressive flowers in the attack with phrases like "we have to learn to LIVE with it" and "it's just the flu".

Attic, I'd blame autocorrect but that's an old fashioned freudian slip

YANBU. I'm another that cried. I just want to see light at the end of this horrid tunnel, no matter how faint.

Gosh you are naive and so easily pleased.
it usually takes years to determine a safe vaccine.

Oh I'm sorry, Devlesko, do share with us your lengthy experience in pharma R&D

Anyway, came on here to drop a couple of encouraging links:
From Derek Lowe's 'In The Pipeline' blog: blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2020/11/09/vaccine-efficacy-data

Four reasons for encouragement: www.statnews.com/2020/11/09/four-reasons-for-encouragement-based-on-pfizers-covid-19-vaccine-results/

No they are here to line their own pockets.

In which case they will want to be absolutely sure that their product is safe and effective. Otherwise it won't be approved and no pockets will be lined.

But ya know stick your head in the sand and you can believe these pharam companies are here for the greater good and only want to help us. No they are here to line their own pockets.

They’re there to make money for their shareholders.

A fuck up on something as major as this would tank their business totally. They know that. They’ve never been more aware of anything in their lives probably.

So I do trust them, precisely because they’re motivated by money.

The more people who don’t the better as it’ll push me up the queue for the vaccine.

The "big pharma" argument has never made sense to me from a U.K. perspective. I can see how it works in the US and other countries with a privatised health service but it makes no sense to me here.

Why would the NHS want to give everyone a vaccine that is likely to damage them? The NHS would then have to treat them for the damage? It's not a profit based system so why would they be motivated to do that? Why would all the doctors and nurses employed by the NHS collude with "big Pharma"/the Government in this? To what end?

I honestly don't see the logic to it!

I don’t trust Big Pharma entirely, no.
And that’s why we have regulators, peer review, insist on them making the results of their trials public- all these systems science has put in place over the last hundred years to ensure the maximum benefit and minimum harm from a profit making pharmaceutical industry.
If we had an entirely unregulated vaccines industry I don’t think I would be first in the queue to write my cheque for a Pfizer jab, but luckily there’s rather more to it than that.

@Sunshinegirl82 Not really no, I’m not interested in all the false information and I’m not a scientist.

I do have friends that I listen to and ask advice from, one is a GP and the other is a professor. I’ll listen to them, but not someone on the internet.

‘Why would the NHS want to give someone a vaccine that could damage them’ they wouldn’t on purpose, but this has happened in the past - Thalidomide. Some medications don’t prompt an immediate reaction, the impact is seen later.

Ahh- apparently happiness spreads the virus.

I mean, shh