To think this time loads of people are not going to comply

[FloMillie]

Been speaking to family and friends and the general mood appears to be that this time round is different.

Most people say they are going to break the covid rules. Obviously they can’t go out to restaurants or stuff but they said they will have friends and family round.

I think people and govt may be overestimating compliance this time around.

Could we be left with an ineffective lockdown that only serves to further damage the economy?

@ProudAuntie76

If we want to save lives we can spend more money on the NHS in the future and save lives that way.

So sod all the people who are vulnerable and might lose their lives NOW?

I think there is loads of stuff that we could and should be doing now but a full on lockdown like the one we are doing at the moment will lead to massive debt and many more people will die as a result in the future.

That said given that we are doing it whether I like it or not, we had might as well try to follow the rules otherwise we will destroy our economy without even reducing the infection rate.

In our schools fb group the majority are claiming the reason they will not follow the rules that don’t suit them is because schools are open.

Their argument is that if it wasn’t safe the they wouldn’t be open. And as the dc are together all day anyway that it makes no difference going around for coffee/play date etc.

Agree @pisspants
It's a real a slap in the face to all the essential workers including our close to burn out frontline doctors, nurses, and other HCP.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/10/31/traumatised-intensive-care-nurses-sectioned-wake-first-wave/

From the article:
In May, NHS staff took more than 500,000 sick days because of "psychological trauma"

Im my family, there are 3 households, I live with my DD(25) and her BF 20). My DS(31) Lives with his GF (27) and my other DS (27) LIVES WITH His fiance (26). We all live near each other, but I saw one DS this weekend and my other DS has invited me over on Tuesday ( was meant to be staying over on Saturday. All planning to stick to the lockdown, hence seeing me before hand as they think we may not see each other until Christmas (maybe not then).

My DD works at a nursery and my eldset DS will be carrying on working as an engineer in the banks as he did in the first lockdown. Not a typical keyworker, but he ensures the bank machines work so that people can withdraw money and visits banks all over the South East and London. Myself and my other son work for an Ambulance Trust but in positions that mean we can work from home, and his fiance works as an OT for the NHS so will continue to work. So whilst lockdown will be followed each household will have someone working with the public.

Although its become tiresome, if we dont follow the rules it could go on longer if the R number doesnt go below 1

Sorry for random caps

I have no doubt people will not comply. Even my biggest rule follower friends say they won't. Lockdown will be extended, the pearl clutchers on mumsnet will make 101 thread on selfish idiots being the reasons we're not out of lockdown yet and round and round we go...

Fair enough then lets make our hospitals covid free then so cancer treatment can continue. That means looking the elderly and sick in the eye and saying we just need to let them die if they get sick. personally i would love to get this viirus under control Chinese style ideally weld people in their house if need be. Forced quarantine on travel back to the UK behind lock and key. You can control people leaving home and mixing, China proved this well. Wearing masks sorry your laynard doesnt get you out of it either wear one or stay home including those pointless face sheilds. Sorry but i thought the British followed the rules. It is clear they aren't and looking for ways around it so either abandon the rules or actually f'ing enforce them. The asking people to comply has failed we need to start some authoritarianism.

I don't know anyone socially that will comply. At all. And that's for certain.

@GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit

I am going to comply but I don't think we should be doing this. I think we are going to destroy our economy. If we want to save lives we can spend more money on the NHS in the future and save lives that way.

Germany has already 4 time the number of hospital beds we do and has locked down before us. How much should we spend on the NHS every year to maintain capacity? Do you want 40% VAT? Double or even quadruple NHS spending?

Most areas of England have had the least restrictions of the whole of the UK. You have things opened that have never been opened.

Couples can easily meet outdoors. It barely gets cold. If not then 1 needs to move in with the other for the 4 week period. If you were desperate you'd find a way to make it work.

Do your bit for 4 weeks then hopefully we some chance of a Christmas.

The universities are all staying open. They should not have opened in September. So much transmission took place!!! So I'm personally not withholding from seeing my family occasionally. Or my dearly beloved close friends in socially distanced ways. I'm not prepared to do it. Not whilst students are still travelling back and forth around the country.

My ex is the only person I know who won't comply, too stupid, too selfish. Everyone else seems to accept the need to shelter at home.

Unfortunately ex is elderly, overweight, male with underlying health issues that he's in denial about. I can see this ending very badly for him, and so for our DS. But he won't listen.

Lucky for me all my fiends and family, whilst unhappy, are going to comply

And let’s not forget it’s those that won’t that will force this to go on for longer, rather than just shutting up, gritting their teeth and getting on with it

It’s certainly shown , that although there are pockets of kindness and help, what a selfish society we have become.

I for one am following the rules to protect me, my family, and all the wonderful key workers out there in the nhs, emergency services, shops, schools etc etc who continue to work throughout all of this, being berated and shouted at, to allow us to educate, eat and have access to medical help if required.

We are not the only country in this position and no doubt more will follow at least our lockdown is not as strict as some if the others ( although that maybe a bad thing in my book)

@FloMillie

Been speaking to family and friends and the general mood appears to be that this time round is different.

Most people say they are going to break the covid rules. Obviously they can’t go out to restaurants or stuff but they said they will have friends and family round.

I think people and govt may be overestimating compliance this time around.

Could we be left with an ineffective lockdown that only serves to further damage the economy?

Those people are idiots then. Don’t they realise this will go on much longer, and the economic cost much higher, and their jobs much riskier, if people don’t comply? How fucking stupid are some people?

Why do some people persist with their brainwashed mantra of 'the economy'? Even now when it's very very clear that failed containment is what buggers the economy.

Reposting as so important. Wise words from Professor Sridhar (with my bold). Her recent Guardian article is excellent btw. Well worth a read. I'll repost the link below.

On a panel with several CEOs yesterday and their message was clear -> it's the virus impacting consumer behaviour & their businesses, not just restrictions. Already clear that controlling the virus with a clear strategy is best route to economic recovery.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/01/suppress-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african

Everyone around here is complying. Even nextdoor (and they weren't even in March, but the death of their mother from covid who also was breaking the rules has made them stop having 100s of people round.

That's awful @Mintjulia
Especially for your poor son.

I get that denial is a coping mechanism for some people - but there comes a time when it's so terribly dangerous.

The confused messaging from government and some sections of the media, especially at the start hasn't helped.

I'm in Scotland. Most of the people I know have given up on the rules a long time ago.
I have family members, who go in each other's houses, go in cars together.
When I was visiting the cemetery recently a funeral was taking place. At least 70 mourners around the grave.

Anyway. It looks like Nigel Farage's new party will get lots of support. Judging by posts on Mumsnet. He's setting up an anti lockdown party (presumably once he gets home from the US, where he's been helping Trump campaign).

I'll be complying. I just hope and pray for the sake of my mental health that 4 weeks means 4 weeks and no longer. Because i wont cope.

Let's hope inbound travel is restricted.
We really shouldn't put people through the hardship of lockdown unless it's effective.
Which, as explained by Professor Sridhar, means we need to stop importing Covid.

@kittensarecute
I'm sorry you're struggling. Can you speak to your GP? Also remember if your mental health is in genuine crisis, there are exceptions for essential care.

Everyone I know is sticking to the rules and will do again, I honestly don't know anyone who has said they won't be.

Everyone I know is complying.

I must move in strange circles.