To think this time loads of people are not going to comply

[FloMillie]

Been speaking to family and friends and the general mood appears to be that this time round is different.

Most people say they are going to break the covid rules. Obviously they can’t go out to restaurants or stuff but they said they will have friends and family round.

I think people and govt may be overestimating compliance this time around.

Could we be left with an ineffective lockdown that only serves to further damage the economy?

Most people I know will comply, or if they break the rules they will do it in a way that's low risk. Its shit but the alternative is worse.

That is my believe

If you dont follow the rules ON PURPOSE and you are putting other people at riak and potentially killing others because you want to see your friends....

Then, Yes, you should sign a weaver to say you wont require NHS care

And it is nothing like smokers or obese people.

They wont kill someone by their attitude of not following rules

Good article from Professor Devi Sridhar. Suggests we follow the excellent examples of East Asia and Africa.

amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/nov/01/suppress-covid-england-lockdown-east-asian-african?

I think people will do their own risk assessment this time, balancing Covid risk against mental health needs.
Most people will mostly comply, but maybe not as closely as last time. Its harder in winter, and some people have been in a form of lockdown for a long time.

People are definitely both fed up with it and not as scared as last March so...

We don't have a choice! Just get on with it.....
I have only seen my parents for 1
and a half days this year and YES i will 100% abide by this. It's all these ridiculous people out there not sticking to the rules which isn't helping....

@Autumnblooms
Whilst woolly exceptions such as 'informal childcare bubbles' and undocumented support bubbles and 'caring' exemptions exist people are pretty safe from being fined in their own homes unless there literally having a house party. The only way we can get this under control is ending support bubbles and informal childcare and requiring documentation to be issues for those needing to provide essential care to vulnerable adults.

Judging by the local town pages on Facebook today, people won’t be complying in the slightest and will be meeting up and letting their kids play together as they’re at school together anyway.

With schools open and incoming flights still coming into the country, all we seem to be doing is destroying our leisure industry and small businesses.

I think you're right.

As police, I can tell you that the extreme majority complied last time, they really did.

But the mood is different now. What kept people indoors then was fear, but nobody is scared now, they've seen maybe 1 or 2 people they know finally get infected but then no others so they don't believe it is contagious as first made out.

Anyone under 16 gives zero fucks they just want to see their mates don't they.

Most elderly people I meet are the most fed up and saying they won't comply though!

There are already riots and protests across Europe.

In 2021, double whammy of covid and Brexit will push unemployment up. As the economy collapsed, fewer people will comply.

It feels to me the non compliance won't be exactly intentional.

I think people have become over saturated and tired of ever changing rules. So I think this new lockdown with it's rules will barely sink in with most/many people.

Things that are impossible to do (go to non essential shops/ the gym - because they're shut) will be complied with, obviously. But anything that is down to the individual to choose and control will be much less adhered to this time.

I am not sure who you think you are rebelling against? Its a fucking virus, it doesn't understand or care.

It is the same thing as being annoyed you are getting older. You can't stop it from happening by sulking. We just need to do this

Would love to know what areas the non compliers are in referred to above. I live in an area with low levels, which went down 25% last week. I really don't know of any rule breakers, people wear masks all the time, pubs are the best, none of us even have people in the house and it really is making a difference.

I am in London

@Funkypolar

There are already riots and protests across Europe.

In 2021, double whammy of covid and Brexit will push unemployment up. As the economy collapsed, fewer people will comply.

Riots organised by an unholy alliance of far right conspiracy theorists and anarchists out to 'stick it to the man'. They're exploiting other people's fears - and in doing so encouraging action that will prolong the misery. Pretty despicable.

I think that a lot of people won’t comply and I’m fuming about it.

I’m close to having a row with one of my closest friends and feel like I’m constantly biting my tongue. She recently returned from a holiday abroad and twice came out of quarantine to go to shops/visit family and text me with the laughing emoji “oops I’ve been a bit naughty”, over the summer she was out in the pubs with friends who were visiting from other parts of the country and she text again “oops I’ve been a bit naughty and we were all hugging” and since this second lockdown was announced she has said she will go from our Tler 3 to another Tier 3 on the other side of the country to see some friends “lockdown or no lockdown”. She’s got vulnerable family members and I have no choice but to work with her (with vulnerable people) and I have more vulnerable family members too. I asked her a work related question and she said “can you cover for me on Thursday, I’m getting crammed in for my nails, hair and brows, she’s being naughty and sneaking some of us in”. Great, so spending half a day not social distancing in a heaving confined space getting non essential stuff done then going straight to care for vulnerable people. Best bit? Both her daughters that she lives with are beauticians and could have done her nails etc anyway. She gets a kick out of breaking the rules and says I need to go to the pub and on holiday more...even though I’ve got a heart condition myself and also don’t want to put my family and patients at risk.

I don’t understand these people at all.

It will still be over 90% this time

That's just a completely wild guess, just like the government projections given yesterday.

I'm sure compliance will be lower. If my neighbour 2 doors up is anything to go by. Was in the garage earlier today putting paint away and overheard them saying to friends "we'll see you on Friday evening as normal", so there's one lot. It's a given that the woman living across the road will ignore it too. She had friends around all the way through the last lockdown.

@StatisticalSense
The only way we can get this under control is ending support bubbles and informal childcare and requiring documentation to be issues for those needing to provide essential care to vulnerable adults.

I don’t think you understand how viruses work. Taking away vulnerable peoples support and childcare options will not make it magically disappear. What it will do is have a serious effect on mental health and have a negative impact on those children. A really bad knock on effect. Is that what we are wanting for children?

I think it’s really sad to read things like “if you don’t follow the rules you shouldn’t be able to access the NHS” and other variants of this. That really says a lot about society, compassion and empathy. I think the people so hell bent on following the rules without applying any logic, or being understanding of others situations are a bit much tbh.

The issue is that we were told last time that we were locking down so that NHS wouldn't be overwhelmed and so that a Track & Trace system could be implemented.
The Track & Trace system has been an abject failure.

So what is the message this time? Are we locking down until a Track & Trace system that works is up and running? Not sure I have a lot of faith in that! And we sure as hell aren't going to get to zero Covid in a month!

I think people locally to me will by and large comply. We went to tier 2 a few weeks ago and the rate since then has been dropping showing that people were generally complying.

Indoor household visits have been banned in Scotland for over a month now and I dont know a single person whos complied with this. People just aren't willing to go a long dark winter without social meet ups.

In all honesty, I haven't spoken to anyone in real life who intends to comply and I absolutely don't blame them. I only see people pro restrictions/lockdown on the Internet 🤔

Hmm. As a general feeling amongst people I know... full compliance initially last time, pushing the guidelines to the limit (and sometimes slightly beyond) once restrictions eased, now planning to fully comply again.

I think they’ll get a reasonable level of overall Compliance but the schools Being open will make it feel very different this time round

I'm in Wales, this half-term just gone, nearly everyone has complied - except for meeting friends and family outside. A few have called at parents and chatted outside, or met friends for a walk. They have made their own judgement call.

@StatisticalSense

Of course they're not going to comply and the main reason is because there are too many exceptions and loopholes that disproportionately put the impact of the restrictions on a group of people who are at the lowest risk from the virus. If they want to get people complying they need to end support bubbles, remove mask exemptions and generally go back to one set of rules that is the same for everyone.

I agree with this actually. I feel like I’ve been one of those to be impacted most socially by this lockdown as I have a young baby so am already pretty isolated on maternity leave, can’t bubble with anyone and don’t have family close by to go on a walk with. It’s really hard seeing single friends get to go round their parents house like normal for dinner. We’ve had no help with the baby for months and I’m sick of it. I’ll do a month but if it goes on longer than that we are breaking it and going to visit family. If the rules were the same for everyone I would be a lot more compliant for longer.