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To think this time loads of people are not going to comply

186 replies

FloMillie · 01/11/2020 21:23

Been speaking to family and friends and the general mood appears to be that this time round is different.

Most people say they are going to break the covid rules. Obviously they can’t go out to restaurants or stuff but they said they will have friends and family round.

I think people and govt may be overestimating compliance this time around.

Could we be left with an ineffective lockdown that only serves to further damage the economy?

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StatisticalSense · 01/11/2020 22:26

@Nochangeplease
I'm not on about getting the virus under control but compliance with the restrictions under control. The current exemptions effectively make it impossible for the police to enforce against anything other than the most obvious of violations in private residences meaning 99% of those breaking the rules will continue unpunished unless the list of exemptions is heavily reduced and documentation is required.

Ilovemypantry · 01/11/2020 22:33

@Lazypuppy

Now they've clarified that kids under 5 aren't included in 2 adults meeting up means me and my dd can still see our friends so that means i don't have to break that rule.

I certainly wont just be shopping for 'essentials', i'll keep going to the supermarket as normal, and b&qetc if its open.

If they want people to be fit and healthy to fight covid they need to open gyms and leisure centres, thats what i'm most annoyed about

Gym and leisure centres are just the sort of places that definitely shouldn’t be open. Covid is airborne so people puffing and panting in a gym (even if they are 2 metres apart) is probably the last place you would want to be. You can keep fit and healthy during lockdown by going for walks, cycle rides etc in the fresh air, much safer than a gym.
Sockwomble · 01/11/2020 22:33

"The only way we can get this under control is ending support bubbles and informal childcare and requiring documentation to be issues for those needing to provide essential care to vulnerable adults.*"

And so increase mental health issues leading to suicides and people not getting the care they need leading to neglect. Clearly the vulnerable don't matter to you.

Iremembertheelderlykoreanlady · 01/11/2020 22:33

I would count as a non compliant person.

Why? Because instead of meeting 1 person outside for exercise (every day, several times a day? That could be 10 different people a week) I will be meeting both my parents for a walk once a week.

Does that increase my risk in comparison to following the rules? NOPE

I won't be seeing anyone indoors, no house parties. Haven't been in a pub all year.

Working from home (thankfully I have a job where I can do that)

WineNotTheLabel · 01/11/2020 22:38

People won't comply because the lockdown has shades of gray. Schools and universities are not part of national restrictions.

Children and young adults are given the freedom not to comply for six hours per day. DC can mix with their friends for six hours but can't see each other after school.

Ilovemypantry · 01/11/2020 22:38

Maybe when the NHS is full to capacity and the hospitals can’t cope with any more Covid patients, people might start to take lockdown seriously and actually comply with the rules. Sadly, there will still be people who think it’s not going to happen to them and they will carry on doing whatever they like regardless.

StatisticalSense · 01/11/2020 22:39

@Sockwomble
Or I realise that many of those at the greatest risk of mental health issues are not those living alone or with no other adults. Unfortunately the reality is for many living with others out of circumstance rather than choice being stuck at home with people they don't necessarily get along with is just as damaging (or more so) than it is to be stuck at home alone so it is essential for mental health that the lockdown is as short as possible and such exemptions undoubtedly extend it. At least those living alone get the opportunity to get space from others whilst many of those stuck living with others find they can't carve out anytime for themselves and are essentially on edge 24/7 not knowing when the next disturbance will come.

Saratustra78 · 01/11/2020 22:44

It’s like this is something we are doing for the government!
Many people will act like you say I guess (although not a single person I know is like that), and a big proportion of those will start complying when we have over 1000 people dying per day. Which is not how things work but hey

GrapefruitsAreNotTheOnlyFruit · 01/11/2020 22:44

I am going to comply but I don't think we should be doing this. I think we are going to destroy our economy. If we want to save lives we can spend more money on the NHS in the future and save lives that way.

The2ndcummings · 01/11/2020 22:45

"and requiring documentation to be issues for those needing to provide essential care to vulnerable adults."

I think documentation should be issued to prove people are human beings.

EmeraldShamrock · 01/11/2020 22:46

They might. I thought the same when ROI went to level 5 last week.
There wasn't a tricker treater in sight last night.

ProudAuntie76 · 01/11/2020 22:47

If we want to save lives we can spend more money on the NHS in the future and save lives that way.

So sod all the people who are vulnerable and might lose their lives NOW?

Lazypuppy · 01/11/2020 22:49

@Ilovemypantry
Gym and leisure centres are just the sort of places that definitely shouldn’t be open. Covid is airborne so people puffing and panting in a gym (even if they are 2 metres apart) is probably the last place you would want to be.
You can keep fit and healthy during lockdown by going for walks, cycle rides etc in the fresh air, much safer than a gym

Gyms/leisure centres have some of the lowest transmission rates. Couldn't be much safer, all spread out and loads of cleaning.

None of what you have mentioned involves any weights/strength training which is what loys of people use gyms snd exercise classes for. Also with this weather i most definitely won't be going outside. I'll wait for lockdown to finish then head straight back to my 4 classes a week.

I just think its silly of the gov to not understand the physical and mental health needs of people. Going for walks is not good enough.

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FloMillie · 01/11/2020 22:52

Agree about gyms btw

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Marchitectmummy · 01/11/2020 22:53

I don't know anyone who is outright intending to break tbe rules. Its clear numbers are going up and its only 4 weeks. Its obvious that if we don't comply we will be pushed into higher measures.

LastTrainEast · 01/11/2020 22:56

As others have said most people will sensibly go along with the rules. It seems like a lot of people resisting because they make a lot of noise.

An outbreak of duckspeak.

ReadySteadyBed · 01/11/2020 22:57

@thebeachismyhappyplace2

I personally don’t know anyone who is going to do this. Yes everyone is frustrated and fed up but people recognise we’ve been asked to follow rules for a reason! Not sure what sort of people you are mixing with?

I’d like to know the same of you? I would have thought everyone would know of at least someone who wants to or needs to break the rules for a variety of reasons....financial, mental health, etc.

Spacerader · 01/11/2020 23:02

I'm in Wales, who are already in lockdown. Amd I'm from an area that has been in harsh restrictions for about 6 or so weeks now. I have found that people are not meeting on mass etc, but close families are tending to flount the rules and visit each other.

Ilovemypantry · 01/11/2020 23:03

[quote Lazypuppy]**@Ilovemypantry
Gym and leisure centres are just the sort of places that definitely shouldn’t be open. Covid is airborne so people puffing and panting in a gym (even if they are 2 metres apart) is probably the last place you would want to be.
You can keep fit and healthy during lockdown by going for walks, cycle rides etc in the fresh air, much safer than a gym

Gyms/leisure centres have some of the lowest transmission rates. Couldn't be much safer, all spread out and loads of cleaning.

None of what you have mentioned involves any weights/strength training which is what loys of people use gyms snd exercise classes for. Also with this weather i most definitely won't be going outside. I'll wait for lockdown to finish then head straight back to my 4 classes a week.

I just think its silly of the gov to not understand the physical and mental health needs of people. Going for walks is not good enough.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter how spread out you are or how much cleaning is done in the gym...the virus is carried in the air. I’m sure if there was evidence that gyms/leisure centres were safe, then they would be able to stay open.

fuckrightoff · 01/11/2020 23:14

@Juanmorebeer

I think you're right.

As police, I can tell you that the extreme majority complied last time, they really did.

But the mood is different now. What kept people indoors then was fear, but nobody is scared now, they've seen maybe 1 or 2 people they know finally get infected but then no others so they don't believe it is contagious as first made out.

Anyone under 16 gives zero fucks they just want to see their mates don't they.

Most elderly people I meet are the most fed up and saying they won't comply though!

I don't envy you @Juanmorebeer it will be very hard to police, nobody I know has planned house party's but will all be meeting up with mum and dad together rather than separately or visiting siblings house etc. Last time everyone complied as we were told test and trace would be up and running (and it was actually given as the way to get us out of lockdown) this time there's nothing we are aiming for.
EstuaryBird · 01/11/2020 23:17

I’m going to mostly comply but break them a tiny bit. Every weekend I meet 2 friends for a hike. We drive to wherever we’re going and walk together for 7 - 10 miles, either coast, woodland, country park, hills....in whatever weather. This is against the rules.

Within the rules is that I can be in a hut with up to 15 Cubs (from different schools and year groups) and up to 4 other adults for 2 hours.

I’m sorry but it’s bloody ridiculous. My personal Risk Assessment says Walk = Safe, Cubs = not safe. So I’ll be breaking the rules 🙁

SonjaMorgan · 01/11/2020 23:20

I was invited to join an online "protest the lockdown" group. There are people trying to encourage protesting and even rioting. There is so much anger and hatred from all sides.

Ginfordinner · 01/11/2020 23:21

Most people say they are going to break the covid rules

I would rephrase that to say "most people you know say they are going to break the covid rules"

Most people I know aren't because they just want life to get back to some semblance of normality, and are prepared to make a few sacrifices to do so.

pisspants · 01/11/2020 23:24

it's so frustrating as there are people literally putting their lives on the line to help those who are suffering from covid. There are those who are very vulnerable if they were to catch it. Others who are following the rules at considerable personal sacrifice. Then those who just ignore it. It really fucks me off as it is a slap in the face to the first 3 lots of people. I'm a single parent and will be following the rules. I went be able to do anything other than go for walks with my boyfriend as he is in a bubble with his parents who help him with his dc when he has custody and one of his parents had cancer not so long ago. I was in a bubble with my parents who are over 70 and one has asthma so also are not keen to meet as the kids are at risk of picking it up at their 2 different schools. Why can we not all follow the rules? the whole thing doesn't work if we don't

CallieOp · 01/11/2020 23:24

With the exemptions and support bubbles and informal childcare our “bubble” is actually about 20 people.

1 works in a school
2 work in hospitals
1 works in multiple houses
4 DC in school
1 over 70

All above board and legal. This lockdown will not work