Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

[pontypridd]

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

Yet more selfish bollox.

Just do what you're told, FFS.

If we don't follow the rules and the numbers of cases continue to rise, businesses would have to close for lack of people at work. Little point running a restaurant if all the staff are off ill. SSP isn't sufficient to cover bills so by adhering to lockdown, furlough at 80% has surely got to be the better option?

@ktp100

Yet more selfish bollox.

Just do what you're told, FFS.

Why?

@Myalternate

If we don't follow the rules and the numbers of cases continue to rise, businesses would have to close for lack of people at work. Little point running a restaurant if all the staff are off ill. SSP isn't sufficient to cover bills so by adhering to lockdown, furlough at 80% has surely got to be the better option?

That doesn't help the business owners though. If they aren't open, they don't make any money. And most of the working population won't actually get ill, they'll just be asymptomatic. Cases will rise regardless, they were always going to rise come winter. Its always nice to see people responses when they are financially secure, but people who aren't are vilified when they say they want the choice to work.

Get a grip.

So how exactly would you fight back? A protest with no SD spreading it further? Refuse to follow the rules and let the virus spread?

We can’t see it, we do t know where it is until to late, we can’t gave the nhs overwhelmed so much everything stops

At least this lockdown is not as stringent as the last ( although personally I do think it needs a bit more, compulsory mask wearing outdoors for instance)
Just grow a pair, suck it up and let’s all get through it, umpire way the damn virus will be spread all over very quickly

We are not the only country in this state, but we do seem to be the one moaning the most

@Twillow

Man up and be responsible. Hard to enjoy freedom when you're dead or long-term disabled. Short-term pain for long-term gain. I hope.

That's what I think. However I am not sure that a month is long enough.

The only way we are going to reduce infections is to limit contact and continue to be as sensible as possible. Masks should be worn unless there is a real, not convenient,reason to wear them, hand washing etc should be continued and sanitised etc. We are all in this together and to talk of fighting back ( breaking rules ) lacks the personal responsibility we all have for each other.

We are all in this together.

Doublespeak.

@Chloemol

So how exactly would you fight back? A protest with no SD spreading it further? Refuse to follow the rules and let the virus spread?

We can’t see it, we do t know where it is until to late, we can’t gave the nhs overwhelmed so much everything stops

At least this lockdown is not as stringent as the last ( although personally I do think it needs a bit more, compulsory mask wearing outdoors for instance)
Just grow a pair, suck it up and let’s all get through it, umpire way the damn virus will be spread all over very quickly

We are not the only country in this state, but we do seem to be the one moaning the most

There were already multiple protests and as far as I know no positive cases have been link to it. I'm sure the media would be all over it if there was.

The NHS wasn't over whelmed the last time. The nightingale hospitals were largely unused. There has been a lot of propaganda to scaremonger people into complying. Show me the unbiased data whereby this will help.
I think a lot of people who tend to follow the crowd forget we currently have a large silent majority who won't shout with their voices but with their actions.
Just because its currently law or whatever doesn't mean its right. Look at history.
I look at all information available to me before I form an opinion but sadly, other people are happy to just do what they are told without considering it might not be the best way forward.

I think the lockdown is necessary and don’t support fighting back but playing Devils advocate

The government are elected to do what we want not the other way around

If the population decide they don’t care about overwhelming the NHS who are the government we elected to run the country the way we want to stand in our way?

Not saying I agree or support this btw but the government are the servants of the people

Wtaf?

Gah! I am so cross I have rejoined MN to comment after being majorly pissed off with many of you.

I am a nurse. Covid is real and if we do nothing now we are fucked.

We are late to the party as per fucking usual. Boris and his cronies are self serving pricks. The amount of YOUR MONEY they have given away to private companies throughout this pandemic is disgusting, deplorable and they answer to no one. (Similar to brexit issues but not going there today)

We have to follow the guidelines or people will die, or be disabled long term/for life. We don't know! But the guidelines have always been woolly and shit apart from the initial lockdown.

People have stopped caring. I get it. I am fed up and so is everyone else. But the government need a big fat slap, we are pissed about, lied to and belittled.

There should be some holding to account through this process. We should not give up our freedom for nothing, or our taxes, economy, jobs, NHS.

We should stop, we should lockdown, we should lockdown properly schools and everything. Christmas is a pipe dream and it will not happen. Boris is cruel to allow the hope in order to make us comply.

This will not last forever but we are in the shit for a good while, and we bloody well should ask the questions of the people who put us here.

OP, I think you framed the question badly but I wholeheartedly agree that we should not blindly do as we are told, as much of that is bullshit. I worry we will never have freedom again, but I also know we have to lockdown or we are all buggered.

What a pickle.

@HappydaysArehere

The only way we are going to reduce infections is to limit contact and continue to be as sensible as possible. Masks should be worn unless there is a real, not convenient,reason to wear them, hand washing etc should be continued and sanitised etc. We are all in this together and to talk of fighting back ( breaking rules ) lacks the personal responsibility we all have for each other.

"We're all in this together"

Except the people who have already killed themselves due to lockdown and others who will kill themselves.

Except the 100s of thousands who will die of missed cancer diagnosis.

Except the millions who lost their jobs, business or will so in the future due to the lockdown.

Except the 10s of thousands of elderly with dementia who have died because they live alone and have been left on their own during lockdown.

Except the people in key roles who have been working throughout.

Except all the people who were bringing WFH-omers their shopping, amazons orders, food take away etc. so they can live their cushy lives undisturbed.

Except the elderly in care homes whose agency has been taken away and are denied socialization and visits from family.

They are on their own.

Do not kid yourself. The only ones in this together are people who have secure WFH jobs.

The problem is people fighting against restrictions. Covid19 is here for the foreseeable future if everyone stuck reasonably within the guidelines it may have slowed it down.
I'm sick of it all too I don't see how fighting against restrictions will help.

Similar to Brexit I guess

Brexit is in no way in the best interests of this country

But because most people wanted it we have to have it

Could the same not hold true re the Covid response if most people didn’t care about overwhelming the NHS?

@Codswallop20

Gah! I am so cross I have rejoined MN to comment after being majorly pissed off with many of you.

I am a nurse. Covid is real and if we do nothing now we are fucked.

We are late to the party as per fucking usual. Boris and his cronies are self serving pricks. The amount of YOUR MONEY they have given away to private companies throughout this pandemic is disgusting, deplorable and they answer to no one. (Similar to brexit issues but not going there today)

We have to follow the guidelines or people will die, or be disabled long term/for life. We don't know! But the guidelines have always been woolly and shit apart from the initial lockdown.

People have stopped caring. I get it. I am fed up and so is everyone else. But the government need a big fat slap, we are pissed about, lied to and belittled.

There should be some holding to account through this process. We should not give up our freedom for nothing, or our taxes, economy, jobs, NHS.

We should stop, we should lockdown, we should lockdown properly schools and everything. Christmas is a pipe dream and it will not happen. Boris is cruel to allow the hope in order to make us comply.

This will not last forever but we are in the shit for a good while, and we bloody well should ask the questions of the people who put us here.

OP, I think you framed the question badly but I wholeheartedly agree that we should not blindly do as we are told, as much of that is bullshit. I worry we will never have freedom again, but I also know we have to lockdown or we are all buggered.

What a pickle.

So you are of the opinion that the lockdown is the right thing to do, in fact a harder one, including schools. May I ask for how long? For how is it okay in your view for people to stay in their homes, not see their family, lose their jobs and businesses etc. in order to protect the NHS.

It's been over 6 months so definitely more than that. A year? Two years? Five? Up until what point do you think that stops being acceptable?

@Codswallop20

Gah! I am so cross I have rejoined MN to comment after being majorly pissed off with many of you.

I am a nurse. Covid is real and if we do nothing now we are fucked.

We are late to the party as per fucking usual. Boris and his cronies are self serving pricks. The amount of YOUR MONEY they have given away to private companies throughout this pandemic is disgusting, deplorable and they answer to no one. (Similar to brexit issues but not going there today)

We have to follow the guidelines or people will die, or be disabled long term/for life. We don't know! But the guidelines have always been woolly and shit apart from the initial lockdown.

People have stopped caring. I get it. I am fed up and so is everyone else. But the government need a big fat slap, we are pissed about, lied to and belittled.

There should be some holding to account through this process. We should not give up our freedom for nothing, or our taxes, economy, jobs, NHS.

We should stop, we should lockdown, we should lockdown properly schools and everything. Christmas is a pipe dream and it will not happen. Boris is cruel to allow the hope in order to make us comply.

This will not last forever but we are in the shit for a good while, and we bloody well should ask the questions of the people who put us here.

OP, I think you framed the question badly but I wholeheartedly agree that we should not blindly do as we are told, as much of that is bullshit. I worry we will never have freedom again, but I also know we have to lockdown or we are all buggered.

What a pickle.

Great post 😁

Exactly how are going to fight a virus .?. The reason why we're going into lockdown is people didn't follow the rules in the first place.

@Bemorechair if only more people woke up to what you are saying. I have often wondered if many others give this any consideration. It's terrifying and lots of people are actually demanding the restriction of liberties on an indefinite basis... Debate is being shut down (read Professor Gupta's account of how she is silenced on national radio because lockdown questioning is seen as "against the national interest.") Thought this was a democracy with free speech permitted? Covid is not the only threat facing us now but so many people are too short-sighted, unfortunately.

Doctors have to make tough decisions, choose who gets treated, choose who gets an organ transplant etc. all the time, before covid, and they will still have to it long after covid. That's nothing new
Not due to lack of ventilators or staff. Organ donation is decided by a committee not a doctor dealing with 5 people needed ventilators when they have none.
How awful to think this would be easy for any medical staff it goes against everything they trained for.
They need to decide if those on ventilation are less worthy should they be removed for younger patients.

Lockdowns DO NOT work,that is the reason I am against it.This virus is here to stay for the foreseeable future,nothing will stop it.All this about not overwhelming the NHS is poppycock.

This one seems particularly idiotic,schools and universities staying open,makes a total nonsense of it.

The lives of millions are being destroyed whilst individuals in the Government are making money hand over fist,Do some research into what Companies these corrupt humans are involved with,bloody disgusting.

So OP I am with you.Well said.

@borntohula that defeatist attitude is why we're in such a mess. In plenty of other countries people have followed the rules and contained the virus to a point where they can now go on living a relatively normal life.

@480Widdio if lockdowns don't work, how do you explain the fact that a lockdown saved China and Chinese people are now living a normal life because of following those lockdown rules to the letter?