Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

[pontypridd]

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

It is about the needs of the many. But their is an implicit hierarchy of need

If you can't treat everyone, you prioritise the most urgent and dangerous
If you can treat them, then we can treat the less urgent or dangerous

What's the alternative? Leave covid patients to die in the street so you can get your scan?

Covid levels are too high if treatment is affected

If you are not getting the service you think you should, that's because you are lower down the priority list than others

And yes the virus can be suppressed, see as examples Tiwan, New Zealand. People there do not face rationing of health care, they can hug their families, they get to keep their jobs

@midgebabe but doctors have always had to prioritise certain people over others, that's not a new thing yet we're acting like it is! But it hasn't affected regular treatment and nor should it.

@midgebabe and are you actually saying someone desperately in need of cancer treatment shouldn't be higher on the list of 'priorities'??

I've played by the rules this whole time, but it hurts me to see my grandparents getting older (they both turned 80 this year and should have had a huge joint party which we had to cancel).

I don't mean to sound morbid, but they both had covid which they were lucky to get over, but even despite that, at 80, you're almost at the point of defying life expectancy, and spending a whole year locked away from your family must feel horrible. I just want to go and hug them, take my gran out for tea, go and sit in the lounge and listen to my grandad yelling at the rugby (and yelling at me for cheering for the wrong team).

I am all too aware that I probably won't be able to spend Christmas with them this year.

My gran is undergoing investigations for memory problems, and there's every chance that if she deteriorates continually, this could be the last Christmas where everything is as it 'should be'. Except it won't be, because we can't have it.

My other grandma is in Wales, we have no hope of going to see her any time soon.

It's just breaking my heart, and while quite obviously I want as few people to die as possible, I am struggling with the fact that I'm missing so much time with the ones I love .. as we won't get it back.

I don't make the priories list.

I go back to the question, if you prioritise other treatments , what do you expect to happen to the covid sufferers?

Oh well just when you think it can't get worse.......UK terror alert level raised to severe. Its not safe to protest.....unless you want to be rounded up under anti terror laws, blown up by a real threat or catch Covid. Marvellous.

@Twillow

Man up and be responsible. Hard to enjoy freedom when you're dead or long-term disabled. Short-term pain for long-term gain. I hope.

I have family in Aus and NZ.

Funny how they are all living a normal life now, work, holidays, socialising. BECAUSE they had strict lockdown. OR maybe they sacrificed virgins to the covid gods? FFS.

sorry @Twillow, meant to quote the OP

@midgebabe

I don't make the priories list.

I go back to the question, if you prioritise other treatments , what do you expect to happen to the covid sufferers?

I say the 'covid sufferers' are the few and therefore should not prioritise the many with long term illnesses that improve with treatment, the pregnant women and newborns unable to get proper care or even immunisations! Doctors have always had to make uncomfortable choices, this is no different.

NHS made the decision and you don't like it.

I'll hold your donkey jacket.

Incidentally how many over seventies do you know?