Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

[pontypridd]

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

[SeverusSnape1]

Op I agree with you, we should be protesting and bussinesses should refuse to close.

This cannot go on. The virus is not gonna disappear, we are facing years of coming in and out of lockdown and more people will die due to the lockdown than due to corona, I have no doubt about that.

[pinkearedcow]

Speak for yourself. I've been on many marches and protests in the last 30 years. But this is not the time to take to the streets, it's a time to protect each other. Save your ire for the next election, and don't have a short memory of the shit-show incompetence of this government

This.

If more people had "fought back" against the austerity of the past decade, we might not be in such a terrible place right now. We would still have a massive health emergency on our hands, but with a well funded NHS and a properly functioning social care system things might not have been so bad.

Many people cared nothing about the poor, the unemployed, the sick and disabled being demonised and impoverished over the last 10 years. All the Tory chickens have come home to roost now.

At least Wales, Scotland and NI have taken action earlier to try to protect their citizens. Johnson has pretty much thrown the people of England under a bus and then decided at the last minute to try and pull them out from under the wheels.

[pontypridd]

I didn’t vote for this government or Boris.

I know this is a challenge all over the world but seeing as I live here this is the problem.

Our government is incompetent and dishonest. That’s obvious to everyone. We pay a heavier price for their incompetence. None of the freedoms that they are taking away have been properly explained.

Are you sure the further destruction of our economy and curtailment of out freedom is going to have any effect and so be worth it?

Do you trust the Tories enough to accept all that we’re being told to do without question.

[SeverusSnape1]

@Fancycrackers

Funny interpretation of things if you think the lockdown is something to "fight against".

The irony is that the longer you and other people like you resist measures to prevent the spread of the virus, the longer we'll all have to comply with crude measures like national lockdowns. Don't you understand that? Do you also want to "fight against" mask wearing?

Jesus christ, how many times will people repeat this idiocy? Most people COMPLIED with the first lockdown and yet here we are, locking down again.

Once you start opening up again cases will rise again and off to lockdown we go....

Why is it so hard for people to understand it has nothing to do with compliance?

[Aridane]

@AriettyHomily

What does fighting back look like?

Whinging on Mumsnet

[Quaagars]

@SeverusSnape1

Op I agree with you, we should be protesting and bussinesses should refuse to close.

This cannot go on. The virus is not gonna disappear, we are facing years of coming in and out of lockdown and more people will die due to the lockdown than due to corona, I have no doubt about that.

It's not just our country though, is it? (Assuming UK)
It's lots of countries all over the world having to face just the same decisions as we do.
As much as I want us to get back to normal not really just us, is it

[GarlicSoup]

Give yer head a wobble OP.

[BlackPetunia]

@SeverusSnape1 which businesses should refuse to close?

[Alizzle]

I agree OP, its over the top measures and when you compare this to other illnesses, the death rate is comparable. Deaths from flu and pneumonia has gone down. It doesn't take a genius to realise that the people that would have died from those have been hit with complications from covid.
The suicide rate has gone up. Depression and anxiety is rife. We will see a boom of cancer deaths next year from people who were told to 'stay at home' and to 'only see your doctor if its essential' .
I want my life back, I want my son to have a life, I want to see my family, I want to put the TV on and not hear the words covid, social distancing and lockdown.
What would have happened if the government hadn't complied with public opinion and gone with the initial plan of herd immunity? The answer is we would all be mostly lot happier right now.
Maybe now is the time to stop doing what everyone else is doing and try something different.

[Aquamarine1029]

The virus doesn't give a shit who you voted for.

[Alizzle]

Agree

[SeverusSnape1]

@m0therofdragons

Okay, I really need a mn break. I can’t deal with the level of idiocy. It’s not just about you dying it’s about putting doctors in a position where they would have to play God and choose who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t, then they have to live with that trauma. No doctor wants to make that call ever. So fighting back actually means behaving like a self absorbed selfish prick.

You sound very naive. Doctors have to make tough decisions, choose who gets treated, choose who gets an organ transplant etc. all the time, before covid, and they will still have to it long after covid. That's nothing new. You just don't hear about it in the media 24/7.

[GuyFawkesHadTheRightIdea]

@Twillow

Man up and be responsible. Hard to enjoy freedom when you're dead or long-term disabled. Short-term pain for long-term gain. I hope.

Tell that to my son who's business will now be closed again for another month. Unlikely it'll survive this lockdown and he's already used what savings he had to support his family over the first lockdown. I'm sick to death of entitled people thinking all we need to do is suck it up. The virus isn't going anywhere.

[SeverusSnape1]

@Aquamarine1029

The virus doesn't give a shit who you voted for.

I wouldn't be suprised if some of these bright posters really think that not voting Tory protects them from the virus!

[DougalandFlorence]

@planplan

Why don't you move to America? Trump doesn't care about Covid so you can live happily mask free! Until you catch it and either die or drown in debt from your medical bill.

Nope. In my state we’re expected to wear masks, no excuses, and children have been off school for eight months.

[HazeyJaneII]

From the very beginning there were scientists saying that we needed to lockdown early, we needed to get a fast efficient test and trace system in place. As we gradually opened back up, we needed to rely on a combination of this testing system, masks, hand and respiratory hygeine, good ventilation etc in order to try and suppress the spread of the virus. These things either didn't happen, didn't happen in time, or were so badly organised as to be useless. These measures, and the potential of further lockdowns if cases started to rise are the only way to move forward, until there is a vaccine which will help us live alongside the virus, in the way we do with other diseases.

What would be the point of saying we won't lockdown? What would be the consequence of not locking down? Is it just the lockdown you are against or is it other measures that you are against?

[Theworldisfullofgs]

Taiwan has pretty much got it under control

[Alizzle]

I think a lot of people are relying on this magical vaccine that will sort everything. Not going to happen. A lot of the people that you're aiming to protect won't be able to have it and a lot of younger people won't see the need to have a vaccine that will most likely not have any effect on them that they can see with a load of side effects that will be unknown. Thalidomide anyone? No thanks.

[pontypridd]

I’m against the fact that BJ does everything too late to have any effect.

I’m against the fact that there is no long term or even short term plan.

The public are treated like children/ just told what not to do with no rhyme or reason.

If this was being done with planning and purpose and we were being treated with respect like NZ say - I’d support this Lockdown.

[7Days]

What is the alternative, pros and cons of each?

[Danniiaddy]

If people keep fighting the rules, we will keep being put on lockdown. That is what people just don’t get. So many protesting, not wearing masks, mixing with friends when they’re in tier 2 or 3. If people were all responsible, we would be in a better state!

[Myheartisbroken91]

@pontypridd

I didn’t vote for this government or Boris.

I know this is a challenge all over the world but seeing as I live here this is the problem.

Our government is incompetent and dishonest. That’s obvious to everyone. We pay a heavier price for their incompetence. None of the freedoms that they are taking away have been properly explained.

Are you sure the further destruction of our economy and curtailment of out freedom is going to have any effect and so be worth it?

Do you trust the Tories enough to accept all that we’re being told to do without question.

It isn’t the Government who will be making the decisions in hospital over which patient gets the last available ventilator! It will be the doctors and nurses, who will be risking their lives at the same time as they try to save the lives of the idiots who ignore the rules!

However go ahead and “fight back!” Just make sure you sign a form saying you do not want treatment should you catch Covid. Oh, remember to make sure you have a DNACPR in your notes as well!

[Enoughnowstop]

Thalidomide anyone?

Well,for a start, that wasn’t a vaccine....

[Tier2Minus]

Can't you just get behind your country and do what we need to do, like everyone else?

In 1941 your sort would've been saying "People die in wars alll the time. It's just a fact of life. I'm going to "fight back" by whining and leaving a light on for the bombers while everyone else is in the blackout."

[weepingwillow22]

Anyone one remember Red Dwarf polymorph and the The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society?

Maybe the OP means to hit it fast with a major leaflet campaign......