Should we submit to the lockdown or fight back?

[pontypridd]

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

bellinique, you believe the propaganda that comes out of China?

This isn’t a real lockdown schools are still open, people are still going to work if they can’t work from home. I think it’s a way of keeping the over 60s at home by stealth. Suck it up.

@CatAndHisKit

and children have been off school for eight months.

And how long is that going to continue? how the heck is that good for the children or parents who can't afford childcare if they still work?
Not sure why you sound smug about it, it's hardly sustainable.

Smug? Thanks. It’s a nightmare actually but I was responding to the poster who referenced the US. I don’t know the right answer either and suspect there isn’t one.

I’m struggling to believe that the kind of people who can’t bear a mask for a ten minute trip to the shops have the kind of gumption to fight anything at all.

If lockdown’s a serious threat to your wellbeing I fear nationwide organised resistance may not be your thing either.

You don’t have a choice, the government has chosen for you.

Suck it up buttercup.

I think the people suggesting fighting back are the same people who were causing so many problems as part of the group of people who were keyboard warriors over the sad cases of the two terminally ill children in recent years with their so called armies abusing medical staff. This is no reflection on the parents but on unrelated people who had no understanding of the real situation.

I am outside Number 10 right now with my pants over my tights and my virus killing spray.

Meet you there?

Okay, I really need a mn break. I can’t deal with the level of idiocy. It’s not just about you dying it’s about putting doctors in a position where they would have to play God and choose who gets a ventilator and who doesn’t, then they have to live with that trauma. No doctor wants to make that call ever. So fighting back actually means behaving like a self absorbed selfish prick.

This 100x over, I can't believe the crap I'm reading on MN tonight. I hope this isn't representative of most of England, as my parents live there and I worry for them.

If your child would die from coronavirus would you be saying the same thing? Do you realise how many vulnerable (not elderly) people there are?
We are fighting back, just stay indoors ffs.

We all get sick and die

What you are suggesting OPis we get sick, go to hospital and due to large numbers of people at hospital we get turned away and no treatment, so die unnecessarily due to lack of medical help

That’s morally unacceptable to me so I will abide by the rules

@weepingwillow22

Anyone one remember Red Dwarf polymorph and the The Committee for the Liberation and Integration of Terrifying Organisms and their Rehabilitation Into Society?

Maybe the OP means to hit it fast with a major leaflet campaign......

I'm getting the "Virus! No thanks!" placards ready now.

No I genuinely think the government should be held to account for their mishandling of the pandemic in the UK.

Because Labour would have handled it so much better - not.

Oh ffs. If more people had stuck to the (not so onerous) rules up to now, we might not be going in to another bloody lockdown.

Oh right. What about eat out to help out? Nobody was breaking the rules doing that. Thousands of teens going off to uni as advised. Thousands going off on holiday down the travel corridors, all within the rules and helping the economy. This second wave is nowt to do with people not following rules the first time round, numbers went down because people WERE largely following! Then they went up again when everything opened up which was inevitable.

I have two thoughts about this thread

1. If you 'fight back' you will be fighting against the British people. None of us like it but Covid is currently only restrained by limiting opportunities for it to spread person to person
2. The government are dreadful. We could have had a two week circuit breaker last month, they dithered, now we have four weeks. I'm not convinced we will come out of it at the four week point. I wish Johnson would resign, I can't see how anyone could do a worse job than he has done.

Good luck everyone. My next dilemma is do I really want to send my children to school now the government has basically admitted it has lost control.

What a shitshow

I read yesterday that eat out to help out is linked to one in five clusters, so thanks for that bright idea, glorious government

I agree with you op

@BefuddledPerson

I read yesterday that eat out to help out is linked to one in five clusters, so thanks for that bright idea, glorious government

I'm all for blaming the government but people also have to take personal responsibility for their choices. Eat out to help out was a government scheme to help the economy but individuals had to weigh up the risk themselves, it wasn't compulsory to eat out.

@pontypridd

Just this.

I feel scared writing it. I know I'll be flamed.

But how long can people live like this for? I've lost so many family over the years - my mum too when I was young. We all get sick and die.

We can't lock up the whole world because of Covid. Are we just all going to submit? Or do we, should we fight for our freedom?

You'll be hammered to hell on here for this, but this whole "second lockdown" is a complete balls up.

Personally we didn't partake in the eat out to help out scheme. I always saw it as a man offering you sweets to get into his van 😂
I'm also not a massive fan of this government but I do remember people moaning that we may close for half term on social media it's hard keeping everyone happy.

@Wales34

You might be thinking of me re the holiday?

If this is until spring then I think we can just about cope with it. As long as he continues to furlough and support people. Which I know he isn't in certain sectors.

Don't get me wrong I'm so lonely. I'm bored. I want to start living again. It's affected my periods, mindset and everything. But what can we do?

Get through this shit winter and hope for a better spring 2021.

It’s four weeks.

Fight. For your Right. To Spreaaaaad Germs!!!

I'm afraid you lost me at the title. You're not the bloody French Resistance. Dramatising your (normal and perhaps in part justified) discontent into some kind of freedom struggle is profoundly inappropriate (and, from what I can observe over where I am (Germany), also a typical behaviour of some worryingly right-wing tendencies, who have the nerve to use quotes from the Scholl siblings to champion their 'cause').

Germany is going into something very similar tomorrow, also for a four-week period. You can't compare Merkel with Johnson. Her handling of this crisis has been light-years away from his. But our numbers are rising exponentially too and the rise needs to be stopped.

Nobody wanted to do this. It's not state oppression.

OP I also agree. The mishandling is horrific.

But as we can’t march/meet - I’m not prepared to risk the spread- I’m not sure what we can do.

I will tell you this - it’s only on MN where there is support for lockdown. The general public is becoming furious - across Europe