Are we heading for another national lockdown

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Do you think we are going in the same direction as France and Germany? And do you think schools will stay open if we do?

@celan
Mine either. My grandfather has only been given a few months to live due to cancer and I just couldn’t face not being able to see him before he dies.

Hopefully not. I begrudgingly supported the first lockdown but can see now that all it achieved was to kick the can down the road a few weeks or months.

A second one isn't worth it in my opinion because it will further trash the economy and more people's livelihoods.

I'll continue (reluctantly) with mask wearing in places where it is required. I also intend to go to my elderly parents if they need me rather than listening to government twats telling me not to and then flouting their own rules. My parents came close to not surviving the first lockdown with no opportunity to say goodbye. That colours my view of lockdowns and nothing on earth will persuade me back onside there.

I honestly thought we’d extend the half term holiday. Baffled as to why this hasn’t happened. It would have been more natural and private schools get 2 weeks anyway.

Some places have only been in tier 3 for a matter of days, it's far too early to tell if it's worked or not !

Unless Covid infected zombies swarm the streets, Primary schools will be staying open.

@Versace104

Some places have only been in tier 3 for a matter of days, it's far too early to tell if it's worked or not !

And Leicester has been in effective tier 3 since June. When will it have worked well enough that they are coming out and lower some semblance of quality of life?

People will become more compliant as the death rate shoots back up again and that might stabilise things
I think so too

Odd to find that some people appear to be saying that we shouldn't have a lockdown because they are 'fed up' with it? Or because apparently the first one 'didn't work'?

Fuck me sideways. There is no end to stupid, it seems.

Nobody I know supports a further lockdown. I think there will be issues with compliance if it does happen.

France had equivalent of tiers...

Germany is honest that track & trace doesn't work when transmission is widespread. Their T&T isn't that amazing after all.

Yes I expect a national 'lockdown' is coming, but (I predict) it will allow kids under 17 to go to school still, at least initially. We have maximum 2 weeks before this happens (my best prediction). The worst (in death count) will hit us about 3 weeks after that trigger. I dunno about the worst in economic and social harm. Guess that's coming in 2021+. Make Miners Strike look like a picnic, I suppose.

I just want them to stop fining/prosecuting families (vulnerable or not) who don't want to send their DC's to school until after the second wave has passed .
I do think we're heading for a lockdown to "save lives and save Christmas" or some other such bollocks. Should have happened weeks ago.

24000 new cases
300 deaths
Population of the U.K. 65,000,000
You can stay at home.
I would rather die than live in the terrible economy we are now facing. I don’t mean recession, I mean it’s a shit storm.

... I was talking to some care home workers today about how painful it is for residents not to see their families. That reality won't change anything, though. The residents will suffer along with rest of us not able to see loved ones. if SAGE reckons we are on path to exceed reasonable worst case scenario of 85k deaths this winter, I wonder what the actual death toll will be? 90k? ~Or more?

@Beebityboo people need to take their kids out of school if they don’t want to send them there. No reason children shouldn’t be at school,

Yes, I do think there will be a national lockdown and I do think schools will close. I can see them closing a few weeks early for Xmas.

It pointless spending the next 8 weeks with local restrictions spreading across the country but keeping schools open. It won’t work and they just go on neverending like poor Leicester.

I think the government will continue closing more and more things until it’s blindingly obvious that it’s only schools left open and the numbers are still rising. Then they will find some ‘Science’ showing that schools need to close for a chunk of time eg 3 weeks early for Xmas, plus 2 weeks Xmas holidays, and the papers will be backing it.

@lljkk what’s the issue. 400,000 people die a year.

@Beebityboo

I just want them to stop fining/prosecuting families (vulnerable or not) who don't want to send their DC's to school until after the second wave has passed . I do think we're heading for a lockdown to "save lives and save Christmas" or some other such bollocks. Should have happened weeks ago.

To my knowledge, parents are not being prosecuted. At least by LA schools.

Academies are always a law unto themselves...

Yes

[quote Georgeoftheinternet]@Beebityboo people need to take their kids out of school if they don’t want to send them there. No reason children shouldn’t be at school,[/quote]
Well as disabled parent I disagree with you. I don't think it fair or justifiable for the government to be using the threat of fines/prosecution on parents reluctant to send their children in to the oh so "covid secure" schools during a pandemic not seen in our lifetimes.

Yes I think we are. I think there will be an announcement a week on monday

What makes you think a week on Monday

Is that when Wales comes out of its "firebreak"? I guess that would be Drakeford's get-out. "We will definitely not extend lockdown" and then the UK government imposes a UK-wide one...

I think we could have a full lockdown. It’s not pointless to do a full lockdown with schools open and everything else shut. I hope schools stay open if everything else shuts.

I didn't think we'd ever have another lockdown but after today's news that we've now surpassed the 'reasonable worst case scenario' for case numbers and hospital beds I think it's looking more and more likely.

Part of me thinks though that the Govt really, really don't want to do lockdown again so they will just keep putting more and more areas into Tier 3.

What remains to be seen is if a Tier 4 is introduced once hospitals are overwhelmed perhaps and so they feel people are more likely to stick to it because they are scared.

Of course, the problem is that by that stage thousands of people have needlessly died in the interim weeks.

As the numbers of dead and critically ill rise, which we all know they will, and as individuals personally know people who have died, they will comply more or less. Especially as they know if they or their loved ones get ill there will be bugger all space in hospital for them. And this seems to be what Boris is waiting for as he is incapable of leading the country only reacting to what he thinks the public want.

Yep and yes, for a bit, then, no when the govt (finally) cop on.

Unfortunately not.. Because they could have given us a short break now over half term and they didn't.

I just feel its going to be carnage... Proper winter now, cold weather etc, everyone crowded indoors.
I'm dreading it.
I'd feel so much happier with year groups spread out etc. Blended learning...