Are we heading for another national lockdown

[thebeachismyhappyplace2]

Do you think we are going in the same direction as France and Germany? And do you think schools will stay open if we do?

"The reason we're locking down is so that schools and Unis can stay open."
No it isn't.

@Lavenderseas

The reason we're locking down is so that schools and Unis can stay open.

And yes, parents need to be stricter with regard to kids mixing outside of school!

This is simply not true. Many year groups are already closed and no-one gives a fuck so long as we can say "Schools MUST stay open."

The lockdown is arse covering because the situation in hospitals is about to hit the fan if we don't do something immediately.

Everyone is having a shit time. What I'm fed up of is the insinuation that parents who want their children in school are selfish or just don't want to look after them. It is not selfish to want the best thing for your own family. Some children and parents will be fine with home schooling, others won't be no matter how "creative" they try to be. It shouldn't be a one size fits all situation with blanket school closures.

"And yes, parents need to be stricter with regard to kids mixing outside of school!"
But they won't be. We've seen it on here already.
"Can my child have a play-date if they're children in his bubble?"
"Can we go trick-or-treating if...."

If schools remain open, it gives rise to a false sense of security, and the virus will continue to run riot throughout the population.
Yes, it's shit, it's not what anyone wants (least of all teachers, trust me!), but schools remaining open whilst we're meant to be in lockdown Will. Not. Work.

And yes, parents need to be stricter with regard to kids mixing outside of school!

I just think many people are unlikely to. With the schools open, it won’t be taken seriously and parents won’t see that taking Milly to the park with Molly after school is a bad idea if Milly and Molly sat next to each other for 6 hours, played together and ate lunch together.

If schools remain open, it gives rise to a false sense of security, and the virus will continue to run riot throughout the population.

This needs to be screamed from the rooftops. People will not stop visiting family while kids are mixing with 100s of others in school.

This shows the the majority of the spread is occurring in those areas which wouldn’t be affected by a second lockdown

Some places are still only in the rule of 6 so play dates after school and otherwise as well as trick or treating are perfectly acceptable

Why do we allow so many people to die of poverty, many of us do nothing to support those in need, yet we must protect everybody from Covid at all costs, mainly at a financial and mental health cost to many people ?

A lockdown but with schools open will be beneficial.

I will feel happier teaching my classes knowing that thy aren’t going to restaurants/friends houses/non essential shops/cinema/bowling/soft play etc etc.

@Bikingbear

If schools remain open, it gives rise to a false sense of security, and the virus will continue to run riot throughout the population.

This needs to be screamed from the rooftops. People will not stop visiting family while kids are mixing with 100s of others in school.

Exactly, close schools and unis and cases will drip and compliance will go up.

I’ve read so many posts of parties, play dates, sleepovers as people seem to think a class bubble means no distancing etc needed or that the rules don’t apply.

Then it extends to its not fair they can see thirty other children but can’t see family so we are gong to anyway etc.

A soft lockdown with schools open won’t achieve much given cases are the highest in care homes and schools.

All over sm people are wailing 'the first lockdown didn't work so why do another!! '

It did work though, the nhs coped with the surge, albeit because routine stuff was postponed but also because people complied, something that few are bothering with now.

They have tried to strike the balance between targeted restrictions and allowing businesses in other areas to continue. However many hospitals are now under great pressure and they need to do blanket restrictions imo and pause everything to allow them to cope.

As an aside, parents if your kids are having sleepovers or hosting parties stop being a twat and tell them no.

I find it odd that people will cut their nose off to spite their face.

Universities, Schools and care homes account for a large amount of new infections.

So let everything else stay open and support those three places to be more COVID safe.

For Unis this might mean remote lectures but students still able to leave their flats and see small groups of people.

For schools this means blended learning for older years and social distancing for younger years (use all the money currently being thrown at furlough/support schemes to fund it).

Care homes given money for staffing, more rigorous COVID measures. Etc.

We are throwing money at the wrong end of the problem. Having the young mixing with no rules or distancing 5 days a week is going to cost us jobs and the economy.

@GetOffYourHighHorse

All over sm people are wailing 'the first lockdown didn't work so why do another!! '

It did work though, the nhs coped with the surge, albeit because routine stuff was postponed but also because people complied, something that few are bothering with now.

They have tried to strike the balance between targeted restrictions and allowing businesses in other areas to continue. However many hospitals are now under great pressure and they need to do blanket restrictions imo and pause everything to allow them to cope.

As an aside, parents if your kids are having sleepovers or hosting parties stop being a twat and tell them no.

You are forgetting different places are in different tiers. You are not being a twat if you are in an area with the rule of 6.

I know several parents at my kids school who are doing whole class parties still and sleepovers with more than 6. We have declined those invites. But have been to small gatherings of 6 as that is allowed.

It’s such a shame that the government are still basing policy on the discredited and scaremongering Imperial projections. Nowhere in the world has had deaths in proportion to the 600,000 they predicted here in March.

To have 4000 deaths a day as they’re predicting, you’d need more than a million cases a day. There is no evidence that is even possible given the levels of immunity in many areas.

Even King’s College London are saying these Imperial figures are just nonsense. They have predicted a doubling time of 28 days, which would not overwhelm the NHS.

It is all beyond me why shielding was not reintroduced on a voluntary and funded basis weeks ago. This would have reduced hospital admissions substantially.

Here we go again.

Your lack of numeracy skills is a sad endictment of the education system you presumably went through.

But to correct your narrative "if there had been no lockdown or other measures taken" appears to have been erroneously left out of your sentence about the Imperial projections.

@TheSeedsOfADream

Yes, and other countries that did not lockdown have seen nothing like the same level of deaths that Imperial predicted. The figures were bunkum.

Sweden was predicted to have 70,000 deaths with no lockdown. They’ve had 5000.

@OverTheRainbow88
I will feel happier teaching my classes knowing that thy aren’t going to restaurants/friends houses/non essential shops/cinema/bowling/soft play etc etc.
Sorry, but I think you’re being absolutely naive. They will still be mixing at each other’s houses etc, the people that are already mixing when and where they shouldn’t will just continue.

'You are forgetting different places are in different tiers. You are not being a twat if you are in an area with the rule of 6.'

Oh sorry. Parents if you are in tier 2 or 3 and your kids are having mass sleepovers and hosting parties stop being a twat and tell them no. Ditto for those in tier 1 when they inevitably go into tier 2/3/lockdown.

@LadyPenelope68

And those that would probably do that anyway even if schools were closed!

@OverTheRainbow88
Yes, they probably would but at least they wouldn’t be passing on the virus to a larger number of people and putting staff and whole classes of children at risk.

[quote Ecosse]@TheSeedsOfADream

Yes, and other countries that did not lockdown have seen nothing like the same level of deaths that Imperial predicted. The figures were bunkum.

Sweden was predicted to have 70,000 deaths with no lockdown. They’ve had 5000.[/quote]
Behave now.
You've been told on eleventy billion threads why your ButSweden bollocks is bollocks.

I think the thread has been infiltrated by one of the team advising Boris.

Boris is doing a conference at 4pm today