Soo.... England circuit breaker?

[BabyLlamaZen]

Will we follow Wales? I'm pretty sure we will at one point, jusr want to know when!!

Is half term next week for most English kids?

Madness
Everyone knows you can't social distance in schools, colleges, uni, or restaurants & pubs. Putting ever confusing rules is dumb and political 'look how hard we're trying' window dressing.
Masks indoors work
Full lock downs work
Even a simple national rule has a tiny effect

We are not a vast country, tier 3 go to a cafe 50 mins in any direction. I'm astounded anyone believes the confusing not 'following the science' rules. Boris was 2-3 weeks late on lock down...he doesn't learn so will repeat. Science says covid effects a good % for months yet we have a 28 day death rate stat when majority of doctors say 60 day is more accurate..... Maybe they'll change the definition to 5 working days and there'll be no fatalities.

Sorry
Mini rant.... I've tried to avoid news all day....grrrr

Lock down? No it's not going to happen. Politics.

Nightingale Hospitals preparing to reopen too. Not a good sign.

How would test and trace being run by local authorities work? They don't usually do thi sort of work, surely, it's local PHE staff. Why are they in a good position to do so?
No arguinng that national arrangements arent a disaster!

stealth
How would test and trace being run by local authorities work?
They don't usually do this sort of work, surely, it's local PHE staff
Why are they in a good position to do so?

Nope.
PHE was invented when the public health role was stripped away from local authorities and local NHS teams.
They had done it successfully since 1948

The local council / NHS teams had always been responsible for tracking and tracing all notifiable diseases

• HIV
• STDs
• TB

THose teams are trained and geared up to persuade people to do the right thing even when given possibly devastating news ( eg an HIV track and trace in the 90's )

It is CRIMINAL that those experienced teams were forced to sit at home rather than deal with COVID

No prior to that it was led by the health protection agency regional teams.they moved into PHE in 2013

Stealth
The LEA teams still exist - I swim with a couple of people who work for them.
They have the local knowledge, the contacts, the databases, the training
but no
Hancock had to hand the whole effing thing to a bunch of subcontractors using broken Excel sheets

there is an existing effective T&T system for STDs and HIV and TB
it should have been used to do COVID
as has been the case in places like Germany
it could still be reverted back to them

No thank you, I work in a hotel and I’m already worried about my job since the first lockdown and now massively reduced capacity.

I have no problems with local t&t, just wondering if that is best. Local authorities have only had responsibility for public health since 2013. Local education authorities are slightly different. As far as I'm aware health protection was Las supported by HPA prior to 2013 and local authorities supported by PHE after.
I realise I am slightly contradicting myself, correction. I'm not sure what the balance was or is. I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.

stealth
I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.
Oh yes, we agree on that one.

My BIG problem is that the T&T system is NOT identifying the patterns and thus allowing localised proactive work
which it ferkin should be by now

There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad

stealth
There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad
www.nao.org.uk/work-in-progress/government-procurement-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Its on its way

Yes i think it may happen. We need it, if only to teach all those that are not abiding by the rules now, so we dont have one at Christmas.

@ListeningQuietly

stealth There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad www.nao.org.uk/work-in-progress/government-procurement-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/ Its on its way

GOOD.

@StealthPolarBear

I have no problems with local t&t, just wondering if that is best. Local authorities have only had responsibility for public health since 2013. Local education authorities are slightly different. As far as I'm aware health protection was Las supported by HPA prior to 2013 and local authorities supported by PHE after. I realise I am slightly contradicting myself, correction. I'm not sure what the balance was or is. I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.

When I first started working for a Council over a decade ago, Serco was running children’s services ;)

Too many variables to know but think some modelling thought peak UK infections in December (hence ‘Christmas is cancelled’ rumours).
Guessing more tier 3s might then be introduced and possibly last 6-8 weeks?? This bit of my suspicion comes from fact our school have just done GCSE past papers in all subjects for Y11. Not sure why necessary unless they think January mocks might not happen...? Am so sick of the whole bloody thing. Really feel for anyone who is a teacher / key worker and a parent. Bad enough just parenting through this!!

Better bloody not, I’m completing on a house late November !

professor whitty did say to bring that r number down lockdown would have to serve one to have any effect .

Its not going to be silver bullet that allow everyone to celebrate xmas if we do it . death rates are still quite low doubling every 12 days , hospital admissions slow in crease but the is extra capacity which we did not have start of last lockdown but never needed in the first wave . cases are currently going up but not as fast in march or nearly as high .

one of Boris fancy ideas with very weak science evidence it will work at the moment . Gleamed up by the news media .

That briefing where Vallance said we could be looking at 200 deaths a day by mid-November if we didn't act fast and the papers ran stories calling him a scaremonger and mocking his graph seems a long time ago now.

It's only been a month.

@ListeningQuietly EXACTLY.

www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/18728385.everything-need-know-deadly-strep-outbreak-mid-essex/

we could be looking at 200 deaths a day by mid-November
Today's figure of 241 was shocking but I am (probably stupidly) hoping that this was an anomaly.

" No Circuit breaker or lockdown will work unless
EVERYTHING closes

• supermarkets
• takeaways
• food processing plants
• chemists

because the low paid workers in those industries will continue to mix and spread the virus

The rich folks ordering their ready meals from Ocado forget that millions of people are working in crowded conditions day and night to produce that
and passing and catching COVID

Lockdowns will not work unless they are total"

THIS!

@ListeningQuietly I agree with your posts.

Film from 1963 80,000 Suspects. About a smallpox outbreak dealt with at a local level. Fiction yes but some research would have had to have been done to make it plausible.

variety.com/1962/film/reviews/80-000-suspects-1200420455/

Based on the novel [The Pillars of Midnight] by Elleston Trevor, the drama concerns a city supposedly gripped by an epidemic of smallpox. Director Val Guest chose the city of Bath and, with complete cooperation from local authorities, the film has a vital authenticity which gives a fine assist to the production.

The killer epidemic sparks intense activity by local health authorities as they try to trace potential smallpox carriers. It’s a painstaking process, carefully reproduced by Guest.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80,000_Suspects

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80,000_Suspects