Soo.... England circuit breaker?

[BabyLlamaZen]

Will we follow Wales? I'm pretty sure we will at one point, jusr want to know when!!

Is half term next week for most English kids?

[ralfeesmum]

A circuit-breaker may or may not save lives but what sort of an existence will it be when it's over? Unbelievable numbers mired in Universal Credit hell, living standards crashing through the floor, mental illness becoming it's own pandemic....

The only sector that will be flourishing are debt collection agencies.

Thanks for the lack of Churchillian leadership Boris!

[movingonup20]

Every case in my town is connected to the university or hospital (staff). A lockdown will go nothing except wreck businesses. Get the areas with problems under control first by enforcing the existing rules

[bemusedmoose]

Too little too late.

My kids have been on half term a week and have another week to go (both schools changed to 2 week half terms this year) so a circuit breaker would come in as they go back.

Also - 2 weeks is a waste of time - it's basically an isolation period for a family. A lot of people will just be coming out of a circuit breaker to find out they are just going down with it.

If the government force it, they should (but won't) ensure that everyone gets paid to be off work. Most people are getting to the point they simply can't afford to stay off anymore.

The latest science is that it can incubate far longer than 14 days - it can actually incubate for over a month according to the latest medical news so it really would be a spit in the ocean to have a 2 week break.

[Summerisdone]

Personally I think England will have one before the end of the year, doubtful it will be as soon as next week now though.
I really don’t want one, however looking right back to the beginning of all of this, the government have pretty much refused so many steps and rules and then they relent anyway, but by then it’s too late; the first lockdown, masks being mandatory etc.

[IronLawOfGeometricProgression]

@StarCat2020

we could be looking at 200 deaths a day by mid-November
Today's figure of 241 was shocking but I am (probably stupidly) hoping that this was an anomaly.

Same.

But most weeks lately we get a high anomaly and then it settles at a new, higher level for few days.

The seven day average just seems to go up every week lately.

[HeIenaDove]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80,000_Suspects

[HeIenaDove]

Film from 1963 80,000 Suspects. About a smallpox outbreak dealt with at a local level. Fiction yes but some research would have had to have been done to make it plausible.

variety.com/1962/film/reviews/80-000-suspects-1200420455/

Based on the novel [The Pillars of Midnight] by Elleston Trevor, the drama concerns a city supposedly gripped by an epidemic of smallpox. Director Val Guest chose the city of Bath and, with complete cooperation from local authorities, the film has a vital authenticity which gives a fine assist to the production.

The killer epidemic sparks intense activity by local health authorities as they try to trace potential smallpox carriers. It’s a painstaking process, carefully reproduced by Guest.



en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80,000_Suspects

[HeIenaDove]

@ListeningQuietly I agree with your posts.

[HeIenaDove]

" No Circuit breaker or lockdown will work unless
EVERYTHING closes

• supermarkets
• takeaways
• food processing plants
• chemists

because the low paid workers in those industries will continue to mix and spread the virus

The rich folks ordering their ready meals from Ocado forget that millions of people are working in crowded conditions day and night to produce that
and passing and catching COVID

Lockdowns will not work unless they are total"



THIS!

[StarCat2020]

we could be looking at 200 deaths a day by mid-November
Today's figure of 241 was shocking but I am (probably stupidly) hoping that this was an anomaly.

[HeIenaDove]

@ListeningQuietly EXACTLY.

www.braintreeandwithamtimes.co.uk/news/18728385.everything-need-know-deadly-strep-outbreak-mid-essex/

[IronLawOfGeometricProgression]

That briefing where Vallance said we could be looking at 200 deaths a day by mid-November if we didn't act fast and the papers ran stories calling him a scaremonger and mocking his graph seems a long time ago now.

It's only been a month.

[grifffendor]

professor whitty did say to bring that r number down lockdown would have to serve one to have any effect .

Its not going to be silver bullet that allow everyone to celebrate xmas if we do it . death rates are still quite low doubling every 12 days , hospital admissions slow in crease but the is extra capacity which we did not have start of last lockdown but never needed in the first wave . cases are currently going up but not as fast in march or nearly as high .

one of Boris fancy ideas with very weak science evidence it will work at the moment . Gleamed up by the news media .

[Classicbrunette]

Better bloody not, I’m completing on a house late November !

[DidoAeneas]

Too many variables to know but think some modelling thought peak UK infections in December (hence ‘Christmas is cancelled’ rumours).
Guessing more tier 3s might then be introduced and possibly last 6-8 weeks?? This bit of my suspicion comes from fact our school have just done GCSE past papers in all subjects for Y11. Not sure why necessary unless they think January mocks might not happen...? Am so sick of the whole bloody thing. Really feel for anyone who is a teacher / key worker and a parent. Bad enough just parenting through this!!

[GingerAndTheBiscuits]

@StealthPolarBear

I have no problems with local t&t, just wondering if that is best. Local authorities have only had responsibility for public health since 2013. Local education authorities are slightly different. As far as I'm aware health protection was Las supported by HPA prior to 2013 and local authorities supported by PHE after.
I realise I am slightly contradicting myself, correction. I'm not sure what the balance was or is. I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.

When I first started working for a Council over a decade ago, Serco was running children’s services ;)

[IronLawOfGeometricProgression]

@ListeningQuietly

stealth
There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad
www.nao.org.uk/work-in-progress/government-procurement-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Its on its way

GOOD.

[Barney60]

Yes i think it may happen. We need it, if only to teach all those that are not abiding by the rules now, so we dont have one at Christmas.

[ListeningQuietly]

stealth
There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad
www.nao.org.uk/work-in-progress/government-procurement-during-the-covid-19-pandemic/
Its on its way

[StealthPolarBear]

There needs to be an enquiry soon after this whole fiasco but it will be so broad

[ListeningQuietly]

stealth
I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.
Oh yes, we agree on that one.

My BIG problem is that the T&T system is NOT identifying the patterns and thus allowing localised proactive work
which it ferkin should be by now

[StealthPolarBear]

I have no problems with local t&t, just wondering if that is best. Local authorities have only had responsibility for public health since 2013. Local education authorities are slightly different. As far as I'm aware health protection was Las supported by HPA prior to 2013 and local authorities supported by PHE after.
I realise I am slightly contradicting myself, correction. I'm not sure what the balance was or is. I do know none of it was ever bloody serco.

[Jayne35]

No thank you, I work in a hotel and I’m already worried about my job since the first lockdown and now massively reduced capacity.

[ListeningQuietly]

Stealth
The LEA teams still exist - I swim with a couple of people who work for them.
They have the local knowledge, the contacts, the databases, the training
but no
Hancock had to hand the whole effing thing to a bunch of subcontractors using broken Excel sheets

there is an existing effective T&T system for STDs and HIV and TB
it should have been used to do COVID
as has been the case in places like Germany
it could still be reverted back to them

[StealthPolarBear]

No prior to that it was led by the health protection agency regional teams.they moved into PHE in 2013