So wtf are we doing in Manchester then?

[bingowingsmcgee]

Is anyone any the wiser?

I’m in Manchester, I’m not too bothered. Tier 3 isn’t that different from tier 2 anyway if Liverpool is anything to go by.

You'd be bothered if you had a business that'd been forced to close without adequate financial support.

What businesses are going to be forced to close? Pubs that don’t serve food? That’s all I’m aware of so far. Other leisure businesses won’t be forced to, as was originally thought.

@Chailatteplease

What businesses are going to be forced to close? Pubs that don’t serve food? That’s all I’m aware of so far. Other leisure businesses won’t be forced to, as was originally thought.

Gyms.

Pubs that don't serve food is quite a lot of jobs and businesses though!

You'd be bothered if you had a business that'd been forced to close without adequate financial support.

I was in March, sort of got used to it now.
But what to do next.....?

Are gyms and pools closing in Tier 3?

BBC saying 1800 and 140 wine bars could close. And that’s just hospitality.

But yeah no impact

I can’t find any word on whether gyms will close.

Andy Burnham is holding a press conference now. MEN is covering it.

Gyms didn’t close in Liverpool under tier 3, which is why I said it won’t be much different to tier 2.

All pubs local to me serve food, I was under the impression most do these days. Apologies if anyone here will have their business negatively affected. I have my own Covid related worries that aren’t financial related, so maybe I was a bit insensitive.

The government aren't offering the funding because they know that pretty soon everywhere is going to be under Tier 3 - a national lockdown, circuit break, fire break, whatever you want to call it - arrived at bit by bit, and they don't want a bespoke negotiated deal to become the standard for everyone.

@PetitFours

Nail on head.

Another agreeing with @PetitFours

Government offering £8 per person. Really generous support

@PetitFours

The government aren't offering the funding because they know that pretty soon everywhere is going to be under Tier 3 - a national lockdown, circuit break, fire break, whatever you want to call it - arrived at bit by bit, and they don't want a bespoke negotiated deal to become the standard for everyone.

Yep. If it were just going to be a one off, they'd never have fucked around like this.

@Chailatteplease

Gyms didn’t close in Liverpool under tier 3, which is why I said it won’t be much different to tier 2.

All pubs local to me serve food, I was under the impression most do these days. Apologies if anyone here will have their business negatively affected. I have my own Covid related worries that aren’t financial related, so maybe I was a bit insensitive.

Gyms did. close in Liverpool?

BBC saying 1800 and 140 wine bars could close.
Really? I don't know any pubs who don't serve food all day and I'm in a large city. I can't see that it would make a great deal of difference if pubs in my city had to close unless they served food.

Also could close means nothing. That may be how many pubs and wine bars there are in the region. The BBC have no idea how many of those businesses will actually close. Just as I don't.

@RockingMyFiftiesNot they didn’t. They fought against it and won.

I’m absolutely raging for my city right now. Taking it down 40 million from their original offer, just because they can. Manchester will not survive on £20 million. This is beyond devastating.

Gyms did close in Liverpool. But not Lancashire. GM offered less per head than Liverpool and Lancashire. Why?!

Lots of pubs and bars don't offer a substantial meal. They aren't restaurants.

We have been in restrictions since July. Back to not meeting anyone in our gardens again. Can only meet another household in a public park. And yet schools remain open.

Andy Burnham brought this on Manchester

I don't get why Manchester are demanding more than any other place in local lockdown can somebody please explain

This gets better, so tier 3 restrictions aren’t uniform, they vary depending on where you are geographically?

@Chailatteplease - all gyms, leisure centres ARE closed in Liverpool.
Loads of pubs trying to hastily concoct a food offer but really there are loads of tiny independents - little bars, micropubs - no chance. Lots of the places that do serve food really struggled as soon as people could only eat out with their household, lots closing now.

@Youandmeareluckytobeus

BBC saying 1800 and 140 wine bars could close. Really? I don't know any pubs who don't serve food all day and I'm in a large city. I can't see that it would make a great deal of difference if pubs in my city had to close unless they served food.

Also could close means nothing. That may be how many pubs and wine bars there are in the region. The BBC have no idea how many of those businesses will actually close. Just as I don't.

Yes there’s loads in Manchester City centre. I could name 2 pubs and one wine bar on the street next to my office alone. They don’t serve food so will be closing, that’s if they haven’t shut their doors permanently already.

No income and some poxy support scheme means lots of businesses will fail. No one knows the exactly outcome, true but if people in the hospitality industry in Manchester are warning about that outcome why disregard it?

Not to mention the minimum wage employees across GM who can now look forward to 67% of their pay imposed by London. So much for the northern powerhouse etc etc.

@crossstitchingnana

Andy Burnham brought this on Manchester

This is a ridiculous analysis. Johnson was going to do it whatever Burnham (and every single local MP and council) thought.

@veraismyspiritanimal

I don't get why Manchester are demanding more than any other place in local lockdown can somebody please explain

They aren’t? GM was offered 22m whereas Liverpool and Lancs got 45m.

All we can read into this is that more areas are going to be put in tier 3 and government doesn’t want to pay up to support businesses and people.

Andy Burnham brought this on Manchester

FFS, it’s not just Burnham.