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So wtf are we doing in Manchester then?

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bingowingsmcgee · 12/10/2020 18:34

Is anyone any the wiser?

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CrappleUmble · 12/10/2020 21:06

Johnson could impose restrictions if he wanted to, the local mayors and MPs can't stop him, so he's evidently choosing not to for a reason.

TazMac · 12/10/2020 21:12

@CrappleUmble

So he can blame the local mayors if cases go up?

bingowingsmcgee · 12/10/2020 21:19

Yes I'd imagine he'll chuck Andy Burnham under the bus well before Xmas

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bingowingsmcgee · 12/10/2020 21:20

I mean how can bar staff get by on two thirds of their wages?

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LangClegsInSpace · 12/10/2020 21:21

Andy Burnham has been crying out for local control and funding of test and trace and more support for local businesses for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Boris Johnson has now decided he will agree to this on condition that Manchester agrees to a tier 3 lockdown. He's really, really plugging this local package of measures and praising Liverpool Mayor Joe Anderson to the skies for his cooperation.

Central government will give no help to local authorities until things are bad enough to be tier 3. The message to mayors, local authorities etc. is 'we won't let you control your own affairs until central government has already fucked it up'.

It's nasty manipulative politics and it doesn't bode well for people living anywhere in England. If the package of local measures are so great and effective then why not offer them to all local authorities or at least all at tier 2? Why not do everything you can to prevent things getting so bad that a tier 3 lockdown is necessary? Who benefits?

However this is the only deal on the table right now and it may be better than tier 2 for people in Manchester, not because of the extra restrictions but because of the additional support. If local control and funding of test and trace can be retained when Manchester goes down to tier 2 again then it's probably worth it even though it's sickening.

TL;DR Manchester will limp along in tier 2 until either Andy Burnham capitulates or until things get bad enough for it to be politically acceptable for Boris Johnson to override him. Then Manchester will be in tier 3. I give it less than a week but let's see what happens with Liverpool. Interesting times.

CrappleUmble · 12/10/2020 21:26

Manchester's rates are going downwards though...

TazMac · 12/10/2020 21:27

Manchester will limp along in tier 2 until either Andy Burnham capitulates or until things get bad enough for it to be politically acceptable for Boris Johnson to override him. Then Manchester will be in tier 3. I give it less than a week but let's see what happens with Liverpool. Interesting times.

Yes, a case of when not if.

Thanksitsgotpockets · 12/10/2020 21:41

@CrappleUmble

Now is a good time to buy shares in patio heater companies.
Apparently there's a shortage of gas canisters
CrappleUmble · 12/10/2020 21:47

Not surprised!

Wimbledon11 · 12/10/2020 21:51

"Manchester will limp along in tier 2 until either Andy Burnham capitulates or until things get bad enough for it to be politically acceptable for Boris Johnson to override him. Then Manchester will be in tier 3. I give it less than a week but let's see what happens with Liverpool. Interesting times."

Not if cases keep going down

chipshopElvis · 12/10/2020 22:10

We are less locked down. Unexpected, but welcome! Hope it continues.

shinynewapple2020 · 12/10/2020 22:11

I think they've changed the Tier 2 restrictions so that all areas of the country on that Tier are the same . Previously there were differences eg Birmingham people could meet in pubs but not gardens . That's now changed .

LangClegsInSpace · 12/10/2020 22:15

@CrappleUmble

Manchester's rates are going downwards though...
Are they? That's brilliant news!

How much faster could cases come down if the tier 3 support package was also offered at tier 2?

AllTheUserNamesAreTaken · 12/10/2020 22:19

I’m desperately hoping the decrease in mcr and levelling off which seems to be happening across a number of Gmcr boroughs continues so we can stay in tier 2.

I just saw an MEN article which looked promising although very early days

TokenGinger · 12/10/2020 22:52

I ❤️ Andy Burnham.

TazMac · 13/10/2020 10:36

@TokenGinger

I like Burnham too. Just worry that he’s now in a stand off that he won’t win.

LemonTT · 13/10/2020 11:30

I see quite a few hospitality experts are questioning if it’s better to be in T3 with support to close than be in T2 with dwindling numbers of customers.

Thanksitsgotpockets · 13/10/2020 12:20

@LemonTT

I see quite a few hospitality experts are questioning if it’s better to be in T3 with support to close than be in T2 with dwindling numbers of customers.
Yes I can see that. Local cafés are empty here because people will generally go there to meet others midweek. Our family restaurant budget is for birthdays and possibly the occasional great, certainly not even monthly and we aren't unusual in being rare visitors to restaurants as a family. Actually well go even less now because having grandparents/cousins there is a big part of the attraction of eating out. So families like us won't keep the restaurant trade going.

Social clubs in our area have already closed because well... the clue is in the name.

Devlesko · 13/10/2020 14:08

I don't mind tier 2 at least you get to meet outside, those on local restrictions couldn't do this before.
I'm not saying I agree with them all at all, but at least hey are simple to understand.

TazMac · 13/10/2020 14:36

at least hey are simple to understand.

Which is an improvement on what we had before. I felt like I was constantly checking gov.uk to make sure I wasn’t breaking the law Smile

Devlesko · 13/10/2020 16:35

Ha Ha, me too.
I think I was within the law, just.
We did visit ds1 and family up to 6 of us, but it was when restrictions were lifted briefly.
You had to be quick though, blink and you missed the window.
We are in tier 2 along with ds1, but poor ds2 is in tier 3, not Liverpool some way out actually.
People are saying Liverpool, I'm sure they think it's just the city.
And only Liverpool, not merseyside and Wirral.

TazMac · 13/10/2020 18:53

Yes, my friend is in St Helen’s. Tier 3 but closer to me in west Manchester than Liverpool.

Devlesko · 13/10/2020 19:58

That's where my ds2 is.
We are joking about xmas dinner outside.

vinoandbrie · 13/10/2020 20:02

I think Burnham will cave in no time. It’s all about money, I think Lancashire’s going to agree to tier 3 imminently, and GM will then be very close behind.

Obviously this post could age extremely badly!!!

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