So wtf are we doing in Manchester then?

[bingowingsmcgee]

Is anyone any the wiser?

I was born close to Central Manchester but have lived in Stockport for 35 years. Only 25 years in Manchester. I still consider myself a Mancunian, not a Stopfordian. Stockport has its own Mayor, by the way.

Stockport has its own Mayor, by the way.

Yes! as well as Burnham on top of that. It's just a massive gravy train !

Could Wigan be considered as Gtr Manc because of the railway.
Leigh hasn't got one, largest conurbation not to have one apparently.
It goes, Wigan, Hindley, Atherton, Salford, Manchester.
All the same line. I see gtr manc starting at Atherton

Come to think of it Bury doesn't have a railway station either any more. Unless you count the tram or the east lancs steam train

To confuse you even more Wigan and Leigh are two towns combined as a borough. So they are a borough within a metropolitan county.
Hence Leigh not mentioned in the list.

Leigh never had one, to close

I always say 'town' for Manchester city centre, I thought that was a class thing...

But for how much longer eh? Manchester and Leeds, the actual areas that are the city, are undergoing huge gentrification. I know both places very well and they are unrecognisable now to what I knew as a young person. Trendy happening, thriving wealthy, like Burnham ATM I suppose But its the poorer parts or GM, and (W,Yorks re Leeds) that get forgotten. Places like Rochdale, Wigan, Oldham etc. These are large towns, together larger than Manchester by population, with their own identity. They get overshadowed

Trafford and Tameside are invented places really, but the towns are their thing

*towns are their own thing

To confuse you even more Wigan and Leigh are two towns combined as a borough. So they are a borough within a metropolitan county.
Hence Leigh not mentioned in the list

Yes and Leigh, places like that. Wigan and Leigh were mining towns. Had their own history, different to Manchester. Like St Helens and Haydock, but they are now part of Merseyside

@Flaxmeadow

I always say 'town' for Manchester city centre, I thought that was a class thing...

But for how much longer eh? Manchester and Leeds, the actual areas that are the city, are undergoing huge gentrification. I know both places very well and they are unrecognisable now to what I knew as a young person. Trendy happening, thriving wealthy, like Burnham ATM I suppose But its the poorer parts or GM, and (W,Yorks re Leeds) that get forgotten. Places like Rochdale, Wigan, Oldham etc. These are large towns, together larger than Manchester by population, with their own identity. They get overshadowed

Trafford and Tameside are invented places really, but the towns are their thing

The City of Manchester was ranked as the most deprived borough of all 10 in 2019. 12th most deprived in the UK.

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/great-manchesters-poorest-richest-places-16903175

This is not a great surprise given that the City of Manchester is if anything majority poor areas.

I appreciate there's not much wiggle room between the City of Manchester in 12th, Oldham in 13th and Rochdale and Salford in what appears to be joint 15th, and perhaps metrics might vary a bit. However, one could simply not write a list of the most deprived places in Greater Manchester and not include the likes of Blackley, Crumpsall, Cheetham Hill, Collyhurst, Longsight and Wythenshawe. There are hundreds of thousands of people in these boroughs, speakng of being overshadowed. Neither trendy nor happening are very apt descriptions for any of them.

Honestly, if you don’t think Manchester has a history of radicalism I don’t know what to say. Not disregarding other northern cities of course but I didn’t mention them because were talking about Manchester today.

It's not so bad for Wigan/ Leigh though, especially if we get to stay in tier 2.
The post code is definitely Lancashire. I never receive any post stating gtr manc, it's always Lancs. As do family in Leigh.
Lowton is Warrington Cheshire.
"I don't think them in Whitehall know us up here" A common phrase on the market. Makes me laugh the stall holders putting the world to rights. Sometimes make more sense too.

Yes of course but I'm thinking more about grass roots radicalism and they weren't from Manchester anyway. I think Engels lived in Eccles

I know they weren't FROM Manchester but they lived in Manchester for a long time. So you accept that you don't have to be working class to be radical?

I know they weren't FROM Manchester but they lived in Manchester for a long time.

No they didn't. Karl Marx lived in London, and Engels lived in Salford, I think somewhere around Eccles way. I know this because when I did my family tree, I did wonder if my Grt Grt Grt Grandfather, a cotton grinder, worked in his father's mill, which was near where he lived

So you accept that you don't have to be working class to be radical?

I've already told you

It was Weaste, I've remembered now.

Ever since the counties changed in 1974 ( I think ) people from Bury and Bolton have been arguing they are still in Lancashire ,untill this weekend now everyone I know is happy to be part of Greater Manchester 😂

so all of you that live in Manchester why do you think the rate of infection is high ?

I'm in Bolton so can only talk of my own experience ,and it's people not following the rules from what I have seen I was in Aldi today ,yes everyone was wearing masks but there was little social distancing ,gangs of kids congregating on the park behind my house,and people generally refusing to take it seriously ,Bolton does have a University ,so maybe students going back ,but tbh our numbers were high before that .

@Unsure33

I think the figures in Manchester are dropping.

We have a big student population and I remember reading that Fallowfield and Hulme (student areas) were extremely high.

@x2boys

thanks for that - so mixing households as well then ?

I am just wondering if the messages came from local medical staff rather than the government - would people listen ?

Does it sink in more when people see films of the wards such as Liverpool and blackpool that have been shown the last few days ?

• I am just wondering if the messages came from local medical staff rather than the government - would people listen ?

Does it sink in more when people see films of the wards such as Liverpool and blackpool that have been shown the last few days ?*

Perhaps you could ask this question on studentroom.

I think the figures in Manchester are dropping

Yes they are in other parts if GM and across a lot of the urban north. Noticed it the last few days on the new map on the gov site, and especially today

Good news for the north, but sadly the whole area down to the West Midlands it seems to be rising

Well for me I have always followed the rules and I can only say what I see but if you read the comments section on the Bolton news it may give you an insight into the mindset of some ,it's making me despair tbh .

Re students, if you look at the ward by ward breakdown a couple of weeks ago when the figures soared, the highest areas in GM are the student areas. Not surprising really. Fallowfield obviously had the most, they were on above 600 I think around the start of October, with neighbouring wards and also the area around Salford Uni increasing too.

I’m in Manchester, we feel like he’s fighting for us. We need a better furlough deal.