So wtf are we doing in Manchester then?

[bingowingsmcgee]

Is anyone any the wiser?

I really wish AB would stop doing a professional northerner routine on Sky news, dressed like the yoof. Then there's John Robb bleating on about Thatcher again, and even Ian Curtis is getting a look in and he's dead, he wasn't even from Manchester anyway for "fooks" sake. Some Grandad bloke in a dreary pub on about "our essence"

Its bloody embarrassing

Looks like we’re going to have tier 3 imposed on us from tonight. Keeping an eye on the news today.

How do you know @TazMac ? Not saying you’ll be wrong, just wondering if you have any more info than the rest of us.

The daily mail today are going with a 3 tier lockdown for Manchester.
Can't do links but was on there this morning.

@fishlegs

Just what it said on BBC R4 this morning.

Thanks. I guess it looks inevitable now Lancashire have gone.

Press conference at 4. I’ll have to read about it when I finish work.

Latest I saw was might just get left in tier 2

AB is quite short. I stood next to him once. About 5 fr 6 I reckon.

Whatever happens I feel quite stirred by Manchester returning to its radical roots and giving the finger to Boris et al.

Though please tell me John Rob wasn’t wheeled out for his views??? Why?

Ok, so they aren’t imposing tier 3 on us (yet).

I like the Guardian’s way with words today. Boris has two B themed standoffs, Brussels and Burnham .

www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2020/oct/16/uk-coronavirus-live-boris-johnson-local-restrictions-lockdown-tier-2-covid-brexit-latest-updates?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

@Hyperfish101

I haven’t read John Robb’s article but know him as a professional Mancunian, if ever I saw one .

Tazmac
Can I add another 2 B 's to the mix? Blame.

PM blames the EU for not giving him what he wants.
PM blames Andy Burnham for Manchester not playing ball with tier 3 restrictions.
Passing the BUCK today on all fronts.
What will he take responsibility for?

Whatever happens I feel quite stirred by Manchester returning to its radical roots and giving the finger to Boris et al.

Manchester doesn't really have "radical roots". In the north it was more Bradford and Liverpool that have a radical/trade union history.

I haven’t read John Robb’s article but know him as a professional Mancunian, if ever I saw one

Not bad, for someone from Blackpool

@Flaxmeadow

Fleetwood isn’t it? He still comes across as a professional manc when he’s on tv.

I find the Peterloo massacre fairly radical but maybe that's just me?

I agree @GabriellaMontez

“The Peterloo protest was hugely influential in giving ordinary people the vote, as well as leading to the rise of the Chartist movement, trade unions, and the establishment of The Manchester Guardian in 1821.“

A few other things to mention, Mill Workers anti slavery protest,1862, 1931, Battle of Bexley Square, 1988, Section 28 Rally.

I find it pretty radical that Manchester has the oldest library in the English speaking world, so there.

It also has the Working Class History library (technically in Salford).

Don't forget Marcus Rashford either. He's sticking it to Boris as well.

I find the Peterloo massacre fairly radical but maybe that's just me

Most of the people at Peterloo, or those who died, were not from Manchester

There were radical meetings held all across the north and other massacres as well, at Preston and Halifax people died. Shot or stabbed. The most radical town and early trade union city is probably Bradford

You're conflating radical history with most radical history. They are not the same thing. There's no sensible argument that Manchester lacks radical roots.

Don't forget Marcus Rashford either. He's sticking it to Boris as well.
He should be sticking it to Sunak. He will have made the financial decision not to fund meals for kids during school holidays.

The Peterloo protest was hugely influential in giving ordinary people the vote, as well as leading to the rise of the Chartist movement, trade unions, and the establishment of The Manchester Guardian in 1821.“

The Chartist movement wasn't particularly strong in Manchester and the Guardian was a paper set up by mill owners and it famously opposed child labour laws, well they would wouldn't they.

The Luddites were also not a Manchester movement, being Nottinghamshire and West Riding based

A few other things to mention, Mill Workers anti slavery protest,1862,

Not sure what is meant by protest, but this wasn't just in Manchseter, it involved all Lancashire, and especially Cheshire. Stalybridge (Cheshire) was probably most involved and affected by the manufacturing distress at this time.

You're conflating radical history with most radical history. They are not the same thing. There's no sensible argument that Manchester lacks radical roots

The problem is that the city likes to take credit from other areas. It sucks in surrounding towns and cities and claims them. This is why so many people in Lancashire were opposed to the 1973 changes, when huge swathes of Lancashire, and parts of Cheshire, were carved up to create the counties of Greater Manchester and Merseyside.

Manchester bigwigs wanted to drag its neighbours in. It's still happening now and the media consistently refer to "Manchester" (a fraction by population of GM the county), when what they really mean is Greater Manchseter. Even on this thread most comments are about the city, when it's the county AB is mayor of. How do people in places like Rochdale and Wigan feel about Burnham? No one even wanted a mayor of Greater Manchester in the first place, the "Met" mayors were forced in us. Same in Liverpool, Sheffield and Leeds often now referred to as "city regions", which is basically Merseyside, South Yorkshire and West Yorkshire . The surrounding cities and towns are losing their identities

It's just another layer of pointless bureaucracy. "Liverpool" has 2 mayors. Why?