London Tier 2 Lockdown?

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This sounds pretty definite (yet another leak) - so no mixing of households inside at all from today in London?

@cashmerecardigans

Surely it's not ok to come out of tier 2 and go indoors in tier 1 though? That seems to defeat the point. I'm assuming my family who live in tier 2 can't come to my house in tier 1 unless we are outside, or am I wrong?

that's correct. My ds lives in Nottingham and I looked into this as we are Tier 1. If he comes to see us he has to stay outside, we can't see him indoors at all.

You follow the rules of the tier you live in, or the tier you are visiting whichever is the higher

So if we went swimming and accidentally bumped into some friends who had gone independently it would be fine for the kids to play alongside each other ...

Nope. You may not have intended to meet them and the encounter was entirely coincidental, but you act as if you do not know each other and keep your household the proper distance from all others.

you act as if you do not know each other

oh come on, surely you can wave!

I think it is ridiculous that large parts of London have lower than national average rates of Covid but are moving into stricter lockdown, whilst other areas with higher rates of infection are not having increased restrictions. It should just be nationwide to both be fair and try to bring down the infection numbers.

oh come on, surely you can wave!

There's got to be a good swimming pun in there somewhere!!

@SexTrainGlue

You follow the rules of the tier you live in, or the tier you are visiting whichever is the higher

Absolutely - but so many people are looking for ways around the rules.

Right or wrong, I'm happy to comply if it helps get us through this.

We are 'medium' - six doors down it moves in to 'high'. Commonsense tells me we behave as if we are in high. Our neighbours think differently.

@Dollywilde Def get some snow suits, the fresh air will go her good anyway, it won't harm her.
Re nappy, change her just before you go out, she'll be fine for a walk. Even if you just go out for an hour, the fresh air and routine will help. Not sure how your feeding, but if you don't want to feed out, pack everything ready then feed, change, pop on a snowsuit and into pram and go.

Is there any space for your parents to come to you?

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

So if we went swimming and accidentally bumped into some friends who had gone independently it would be fine for the kids to play alongside each other ...

Nope. You may not have intended to meet them and the encounter was entirely coincidental, but you act as if you do not know each other and keep your household the proper distance from all others.

So manners now spread Corona virus? Calling hi and letting the kids wave is going to bring the country to its knees??

This covid is going to play havoc with the Ski season ! 2 people in a cable car ? bubble lifts ? and apres ski ?

Skiing surely can’t happen this season billysboy? We have ruled it out for so many reasons. I’ll be really surprised if many people make it for all the reasons you say plus quarantine being a factor for many ski destinations..:

Nope. You may not have intended to meet them and the encounter was entirely coincidental, but you act as if you do not know each other and keep your household the proper distance from all others

Oh FFS. Some people seem determined to make this whole experience as bleak as possible. Over-zealous interpretation of the rules is already doing untold damage to mental health and the fabric of our society. Acting in a civilised way, acknowledging people you know and maintaining some semblance of a relationship with friends isn’t going to kill anyone’s granny.

Can anyone define 'support bubble' for me please?

Just checked a couple of ski holiday websites and they seem to be taking bookings etc

I think everyone needs to take some responsibility for themselves and others around them and knuckle down

@UnmentionedElephantDildo

So if we went swimming and accidentally bumped into some friends who had gone independently it would be fine for the kids to play alongside each other ...

Nope. You may not have intended to meet them and the encounter was entirely coincidental, but you act as if you do not know each other and keep your household the proper distance from all others.

I hope this is a joke @UnmentionedElephantDildo

A support bubble is a SINGLE person who's allowed others to join them (ONE other household)

So we were supposed to be going to Cornwall with friends in half term

Both households are London

Now not allowed to go to the holiday cottage

But we can cancel it/rearrange it and go to a HOTEL

On the Guardian Live feed there is fury from MPs as they feel that London businesses will suffer by going into Tier two.

I don't understand ... I thought it just meant that households couldn't mix. Doesn't that just mean we can't go into each other's houses?

I was wondering that, hospitality apart

@Aridane as I understand it, we can't mix inside with other households, e.g. we can't go to an indoor restaurant with a friend, but we can go to an outdoor restaurant with a friend.

Aw, @Dollywilde - imagine yourself living in Sweden or Norway where they wrap,up their little ones and leave the. Outside even in the darkest depths of winter to get fresh Air

Thanks Laurie...sorry about to Cornwall trip. We were meant to be going To dorset with friends for Halloween weekend-someone's big birthday. Also cancelled. So fed up.

@LaurieFairyCake

A support bubble is a SINGLE person who's allowed others to join them (ONE other household)

Has it changed them because it was a household headed by a single adult so a single Dad with 3 kids could form a SB with one other household but a single Mom with an 18 to at home couldn't

@SleepingStandingUp it is either:
a. single person or
b. a single parent with children under 18
who can join one other household.

www.gov.uk/guidance/making-a-support-bubble-with-another-household

I live in a tier 1 area (very low number of cases) but work in a tier 2 area.
I work with people who live in tier 1 and 2.
If we go to the work canteen for a coffee (indoors) that's fine (we're still in our workplace).
If I've understood the tier 2 restrictions correctly, if me and a colleague go across the road to a coffee shop and sit in, then we'll be breaching the tier 2 restrictions?

@ajandjjmum you win.

Though your neighbours can do the opposite to you and find that when cases rise you move into that tier.