London Tier 2 Lockdown?

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This sounds pretty definite (yet another leak) - so no mixing of households inside at all from today in London?

sorry, meant to say as of midnight Friday so from Saturday

Does anyone know if this is a 4 week thing?

On the Guardian Live feed there is fury from MPs as they feel that London businesses will suffer by going into Tier two.

I don't understand ... I thought it just meant that households couldn't mix. Doesn't that just mean we can't go into each other's houses?

Are we allowed to go outside of London and see family? - we'd be seeing them in the open air. Not going inside their house.

London is to move to tier 2 from Friday midnight.

Everyone agrees it’s inevitable, just Boris as usual dragging his heels until everyone is exhausted

It isn't Boris who is preventing areas moving up a tier. It's local government

Places like Nottingham, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester really do need to move up to tier 3, but it's local government that are dragging their heels.

I don't get what the panic is about. Tier 2 makes barely any difference to where we are now in London.

@pontypridd yes up to 6 of you can still meet outdoors

From the Telegraph:

This is for areas with a higher level of infections. This means the following measures are in place:

All businesses and venues can continue to operate, in a Covid-secure manner, other than those that remain closed in law, such as nightclubs and adult entertainment venues
Certain businesses selling food or drink on their premises are required to close between 10pm and 5am. Businesses and venues selling food for consumption off the premises can continue to do so after 10pm as long as this is through delivery service, click-and-collect or drive-thru
Schools, universities and places of worship remain open
Weddings and funerals can go ahead with restrictions on the number of attendees
Organised indoor sport and exercise classes can continue to take place, provided the Rule of Six is followed
The “Rule of Six” will continue to apply outdoors and in private gardens
People must not meet with anybody outside their household or support bubble in any indoor setting, whether at home or in a public place
People should aim to reduce the number of journeys they make where possible. If they need to travel, they should walk or cycle where possible, or to plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport

@pontypridd it makes a huge amount of difference for me. I’m stuck at home with newborn DD and HV is trying to get me support for PND. DH is working out of the house 60 hours a week. I was forcing myself to meet a friend now and then for coffee so I didn’t go completely mad. Now I’m just going to be spending 60 hours a week sitting alone in a small flat with an 8 week old who doesn’t stop screaming.

I haven’t felt this dark in the whole of the pandemic tbh.

@Dollywilde

I've just read we can still meet people outdoors, I think it's level 3 where we wouldn't be able to do that even outdoors. Really hope for your sake that's right and you can still get some vital interaction.

@pontypridd

I don't get what the panic is about. Tier 2 makes barely any difference to where we are now in London.

Except the one thing my parents were looking forward to... Seeing their grandkids for a few hours I their home next week. Safer for them than going out. Obviously it's closer contact than outside, but outside isn't easy when you can barely see.

For many people, seeing someone in their own home is the only option.

It makes a big difference to me. I can no longer meet friends for dinner. Unless I freeze my arse off in a beer garden or something 🤨

Now I've read that you can't mix in restaurants so perhaps people are allowed to meet in the park etc? It's a bit confusing!

@CallmeFP true but while I’m happy to get cold and wet myself, I don’t think I can bring myself to drag DD out if the temperatures drop just for my own satisfaction. I’d consider moving down to my mums to see this out but I can’t keep DH away from DD that long and he’s been told in no uncertain terms he’s still expected in the office. I’m just crying tbh. It’s all I can do.

@dollywilde

so sorry to hear that. I think there are special rules about casual childcare and support bubbles, worth looking in to.

Yes I think it will make a big difference to lots of people... so sorry to hear @Dollywilde, that sounds so hard. Fwiw I think anything that helps you will help baby - so don’t feel bad about wrapping up warm and getting out of it helps you, even if it’s cold. Baby will be fine! Or going to your mums just for a break? Maybe post a separate thread, mumsnet is great for support with babies/isolation.

Much much more trivial, but I was due to meet some family members (not in household) in a restaurant in London on Friday evening for a long planned reunion - not sure whether to go now? Just before cut off but will London be v hectic and crowded with everyone going for one last hurrah?

Makes no difference to me. We're going on a short break on a weekend, which is allowed as it's just our household. Mostly we just go out as a family (one household) anyway, my extended family members are very cautious so they have refused to meet us indoors for weeks. I have no friends either so no issues about mixing households.

Dollywilde you can still sit outdoors with a friend and go out to baby classes, lots of them are open in London.

Thanks @callmefp - I appreciate it. From what I’ve read so far nothing qualifies us for any exemptions but I’ll keep reading.

@dollywilde

(sent msg before i had finished writing)

There may be a way for grandma to see baby by providing care? or being in the support bubble? Apparently these rules have been a lifeline for people with young children in your situation.

Meeting outside was fine during the summer months, leisurely picnics etc. It is not going to be possible in the cold and rain? How many of us have parents that are the wrong side of 70 that won't be able to sit on a park bench for hours!
Mine have been waiting for half term to come and visit the grandchildren, as they live 70 miles away. Now we can't see each other.
So yes it is a big deal!
And yes, I do realise that has been the case for other areas for sometime, it's shit for everyone.
Especially as kids are still mixing with hundreds of others in school as am I, because I work in a school!

@mintrose I know re outside, although when the weather turns that’s not going to really help all that much. Our baby groups are mostly shut around here (the ones that are open are generally for older babies not 8 week olds) but I’ll look further afield. Although that would mean public transport which is both discouraged and I’m not sure I want to take DD on public transport right now.

@CallmeFP thanks :) I don’t think support bubble counts as my mum and dad live together and DH lives with us, even if he is in the office all week. Childcare... surely that means my mum could look after DD but I couldn’t be there? It’s not really DD needing the care but me tbh so not sure how that would help.

Ah fuck it. Sorry, I sound like I’m batting back all suggestions. Really appreciate the thoughts while I try to get through the fog this morning. All just feels a bit hopeless tbh.

Has anyone said yet where it extends to? Only London boroughs?

Yes @Nestme, so far. We're in the borough with the lowest cases and spitting distance from the Kent border 🤷🏻‍♀️

For those with gardens and wanting to see elderly parents, maybe an outdoor heater would help, just thinking aloud...I still want to see my parents and in-laws who live in London as do we...So we are thinking of getting an outdoor heater for our garden for when they come to visit xxx

Essex prob too