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London Tier 2 Lockdown?

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Humptytheboiledegg · 12/10/2020 12:15

daily fail link

This sounds pretty definite (yet another leak) - so no mixing of households inside at all from today in London?

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NoGoodPunsLeft · 15/10/2020 11:04

@Dollywilde if I was you, I would go to stay with my parents for a few weeks. Yes it would be harsh for your DH to not see DC but spending 60 hours a week inside with a tiny baby would be awful for you.

Or could your DH ask to WFH so he could go with you thus enabling you to spend time together at weekends (realistically he wouldn't be seeing DC on week days anyway with those hours). Hopefully his company may have second thoughts on insisting on employees being in the office with the tier change.

CallmeFP · 15/10/2020 11:10

@Dollywilde

Yes you’re completely right, only applies if you or grandparent are single Sad

I’m sorry, this is really tough on you.

DrDetriment · 15/10/2020 11:12

I'm really worried that DPs ex will stop contact with the children again despite there being a court order in place. Could she do this under the two households being banned from meeting inside thing? It's the little one's birthday this weekend and he would be gutted not to see his dad.

Dollywilde · 15/10/2020 11:13

@NoGoodPunsLeft I just don’t think I can separate DH from his weeks old newborn child, he adores her. And he’s fab with nights etc. - outside of working time he’s supporting me so much.

I think I’m going to ask him about the prospect of him WFH but tbh that presents a different problem as he needs the living room, so DD and I are then only alone for 8 hours but we’re stuck in the bedroom like a cell. Sad Plus I panic about her screaming during his calls, with me on stat mat pay we can really can’t rock the boat with his work atm.

Have been pulling myself together, I’ll get through this somehow, I just don’t know quite how.

SexTrainGlue · 15/10/2020 11:16

Arangements where children do not live in the same household as both their parents or guardians are exempt from the indoors gatherings rules.

I think it would be prudent to suspend contact when someone in either household is ill or required to SI, but there's no reason (even in tier 3 areas) to stop it when everyone is OK

SleepingStandingUp · 15/10/2020 11:18

[quote Dollywilde]@CallmeFP true but while I’m happy to get cold and wet myself, I don’t think I can bring myself to drag DD out if the temperatures drop just for my own satisfaction. I’d consider moving down to my mums to see this out but I can’t keep DH away from DD that long and he’s been told in no uncertain terms he’s still expected in the office. I’m just crying tbh. It’s all I can do.[/quote]
DD will be fine wrapped up warm. Vest, sleepsuit, snowsuit. Hood up / rain over of its windy. Honestly unless it's raining she'll be snug and the kind of bugs that like being warm.

Of your DH is working 60 hours at work, he's not seeing her much in the week anyway so could he come and see you weekends? Even if it's just for a couple of weeks

SleepingStandingUp · 15/10/2020 11:21

And even if you don't meet your friend @Dollywilde I'd recommend trying to get out the house a little when it's dry.

MissBaskinIfYoureNasty · 15/10/2020 11:22

@Dollywilde I'm really sorry, it sounds like you're really deep in a bad time at the moment and this rule change is the last thing you need.
I don't want to be patronising so please tell me to shut up if you've heard it all before but I just thought I'd see if I could offer any advice to help. Two out of my four were quite "high needs" screamy babies as newborns and I tried so many different things.
For DD1 a stretchy wrap was a game changer. She loved to feed and then just be wrapped to me while I did jobs in the house and walked the dog etc. I know that wouldn't solve the socialising problem but it would free you up to physically be able to do stuff.
Has baby been checked for reflux? In hindsight I think DD was struggling with that because she really really hated to be laying down and she was quite a sicky baby.
I have found swaddling and white noise really helpful for all of my kids too. Once they get to sleep the white noise helps to block out any noises that might disturb them.
Also just holding them when they nap is fine. Do what you've got to do. If that means snuggling on the sofa and watching Netflix for every single nap, do it. Everything else can wait.
Its really positive that your DH is supportive to you. Make sure you keep telling him what you need and ensuring he does his share of nights so you are getting some kind of rest.
Keep moving forward. Every day you get through, you're managing it, you're surviving and you and your baby learning a bit more about each other.

Spidey66 · 15/10/2020 11:31

I don't think it would make any sense to do it on a borough by borough level. Most people don't stay exclusively within their borough. I live in one borough but work in the neighbouring borough, but my journey actually touches on a third My last job involved me travelling through about three or four boroughs.

IamPickleRick · 15/10/2020 11:37

This is really confusing for me. I live in herts, I can see the border of Essex from my home, and I am 1/4 of a mile from the border of London.

I’ve got friends either side, I am the outlier. I suppose by putting them both in to tier 2, I am pretty much in tier 2 unofficially as well.

LangClegsInSpace · 15/10/2020 11:39

Fuckety fuck.

Right, so I'm in London, in a support bubble with DM who is outside London. She can still see people indoors, we can't unless it's her.

Have I got this right - even though we are in a bubble with her and so generally count as one household, we can only visit her indoors while nobody else is there?

These tiers were supposed to simplify things weren't they?

She's in Essex so this could all be moot by bedtime.

SleepingStandingUp · 15/10/2020 11:43

@LangClegsInSpace

Fuckety fuck.

Right, so I'm in London, in a support bubble with DM who is outside London. She can still see people indoors, we can't unless it's her.

Have I got this right - even though we are in a bubble with her and so generally count as one household, we can only visit her indoors while nobody else is there?

These tiers were supposed to simplify things weren't they?

She's in Essex so this could all be moot by bedtime.

I think it's moot.

I think you're excluded from party of 6 inside even on someone's house who is tier 1 so I'm theory yes, of Essex doesn't go down, you can only visit when noone else is there.

I’ve got friends either side, I am the outlier. I suppose by putting them both in to tier 2, I am pretty much in tier 2 unofficially as well. If they're you're only friends yes, otherwise you can still see Tier 1 friends as normal aka ruleOF6

LangClegsInSpace · 15/10/2020 11:45

Oh well, there you go, didn't need to wait til bedtime. This simplifies things even if it makes them shitter overall.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-54551596

Dollywilde · 15/10/2020 11:46

@SleepingStandingUp @MissBaskinIfYoureNasty thanks for the support, I feel bad that I’ve taken over the thread a bit Blush

@sleepingstandingup I think I just need to buy some snowsuits. It just feels so selfish dragging her out in the cold, toilets are shut so I can’t even change her nappy without exposing her to the cold air, I’m not prepared to do that just for my own needs Sad suppose I could go into a cafe but then I’d need to order something while whoever I met with stayed outside... feels so overwhelming just thinking about the logistics of it. DH is out 7 - 7 because of the commute (works 9.30 - 5.30) but he’s invaluable in the colicky evenings and I feel a bit broken at the idea of splitting us up as a little family on top of all this shit. I’ve asked though whether him WFH at my parents could be an option so I guess that’s on his employer now... Also should probably ask my parents if we’re proposing to move in Confused

@MissBaskinIfYoureNasty Thank you for all the tips! I really do appreciate them. Reflux is definitely an issue but GP says as she’s gaining weight fine we just need to power through :( Swaddling and stretchy wrap sometimes help but tbh she’s just very fickle! I love her to bits but what works Monday won’t work Tuesday and so on. I know we will get through this, I just could have so used the freedom to see other people, cuddling up with Netflix is great for a day or two but it’s so hard being alone so much when my head’s in a funny place. Think today is just hard with the news and the thought that this is going to be such a long dark winter. I’m just so sad that when I look back at this point in her life that it’s going to be full of dark memories for me.

Thank you for the support again though, like I say just a bad, bad day. I know we have to have these restrictions, I’m just so gutted.

LangClegsInSpace · 15/10/2020 11:49

Dolly Flowers

ScatteredMama82 · 15/10/2020 11:49

Help - we live in in tier 1 area. FIL is in London, lives alone. We had planned to travel and meet up halfway for a day in half term as he hasn't seen the DCs for ages. Our planned meeting point is also in Tier 1 (so far!)
Are we now not allowed to do this? Is he allowed to travel from tier 2 to tier 1 and then be subject to tier 1 rules?

Sparklingwaterplease · 15/10/2020 11:50

@ScatteredMama82 - yes, I believe this is allowed.

Only in Tier 3 is travel in/out discouraged/restricted.

CloudPop · 15/10/2020 11:53

Does anyone know what time on Saturday the tier2 kicks in? I have lunch plans 😩

ScatteredMama82 · 15/10/2020 11:53

[quote Sparklingwaterplease]@ScatteredMama82 - yes, I believe this is allowed.

Only in Tier 3 is travel in/out discouraged/restricted.[/quote]
Thank you!

LangClegsInSpace · 15/10/2020 11:54

He can travel to tier 1 but he can only meet you outdoors unless you're in a bubble. I think Confused

Sparklingwaterplease · 15/10/2020 11:55

@LangClegsInSpace

I think indoor mixing allowed in Tier 1?

LangClegsInSpace · 15/10/2020 11:58

If you live in a high alert level area you also cannot meet indoors with people outside of the area, unless exceptions apply.

www.gov.uk/guidance/local-covid-alert-level-high

woodlandwalker · 15/10/2020 11:58

I do think it would be better for the whole country to have the same restrictions. My borough has below the national average cases but is now going into further restrictions whilst places with twice the number of cases do not have restrictions.

TheWristBoundLatexBitch · 15/10/2020 11:59

@CloudPop

Does anyone know what time on Saturday the tier2 kicks in? I have lunch plans 😩
From midnight
cashmerecardigans · 15/10/2020 11:59

Surely it's not ok to come out of tier 2 and go indoors in tier 1 though? That seems to defeat the point.
I'm assuming my family who live in tier 2 can't come to my house in tier 1 unless we are outside, or am I wrong?