New rules Monday.

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Looks like England may be following Scotland. Or parts of England? Or new levels to be announced!? Who knows...

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54457377

Oh JK, I'd heard chat about the musician too...

Everyone has to make sacrifices...every single person !!

People have made sacrifices, what more do you want some of us to do, sacrifice our first born?

@ozymandiusking

I am going to join in the thread. As a 70 year old ( which these days isn't considered old) We are fairly careful, my husband is 80. He does most of the shopping, but other than that we are careful. At the week end we went out for a meal, mask sanitiser etc.All ok. But, I do think enough is enough, and we need to learn to live with covid. The elderly die every year of flue. I think all schools, colleges universities should be back in full time time education. f one child is ill send tem home , but not the whole class. ( Their parents have to work for heavens sake.) All pubs restaurants, pubs, gyms, swimming pools horse riding, any thing, night school. (I could go on and on) you get my drift, should be open as normal, no booking just as it used to be, ie The old normal!! No qeueuing at shops spacing etc. Most of the people who contract covid usualy survive whithout too much problem. As for those who die, or survive with long covid..... so be it. People will eventually develop immunity. When a vaccine is developed. good that will be even better. But we have to do something about the economy, keep people in work, the country is dying on its feet. If people want to go into work let them, if they are worried, stay at home. We have to find a way to make the OLD NORMAL work. Appolgies if I have gone on a bit. Thank you for reading. I'm always open to comments and Ideas, but, never so open minded that my brains fall out!

And that's fine except it's not just over 65's who die is it ? Children aren't immune and there's many children with underlying health conditions at risk as well....so what do we do about them ? Just let them get it and die so someone else doesn't have to have 2 weeks off work ?? And all this 'let those who are vunerable stay at home if they wish' ....explain to me how that works....the hospitals in my area are now full of covid infact it's a grave situation....my child regularly needs hospital and medical treatment....when hospitals are full of covid the way they are now it becomes unsafe to even get medical treatment. ...so we need to control covid to protect these services !? We still have to go out occassionally to get medicines, food etc (although do most of the food shopping online) the children still need educated but classrooms will be full of kids with 'mild covid' so therefore not safe for those vunerable ? What about the vunerable teachers who want to stay at home....they stay at home...who teaches the kids then ? It's a completely ridiculous idea ! Everyone has to play a part to keep the virus under as best control as we can for now until we get more insight into treatments and long term effects etc

@Sobeyondthehills

Everyone has to make sacrifices...every single person !!

People have made sacrifices, what more do you want some of us to do, sacrifice our first born?

Well it seems people want me to sacrifice my child so they can get on with their lives....fuck that 'vunerable' kid who would have lived until they were an old age pensioner if they hadn't of contracted covid but fuck them because I want to carry on with my life and I'm not making sacrifices for anyone else ! People have made sacrifices but they need to continue doing so ! If everyone plays a small part reduces their social contact, practises social distancing etc then we can lead as normal lives as is possible alongside covid as we will all have to do. But complacency leads us down the wrong route and leads to life being tougher with more restrictions on everyone !

Each day that passes the evidence points more towards having to suppress this. Long Covid is snowballing, reinfection is looking likely, there’s no magic T Cell fairy. They discover more and more detrimental things this virus is doing to the young and fit.

The U.K. signed a declaration two weeks ago to suppress this to maximum possible because if I can read up on the implications of this then they certainly know.

Unfortunately they just haven’t got their act together but their aim will be to suppress and new testing will aid this.

Problem of waiting until
Monday is Scottish schools have either finished or finish up this Friday. I am booked for 4 nights in Yorkshire so although it’s advised not to make unnecessary travel as a burnt out nurse I was looking forward to my break.
So what to do? Travel as planned and then have the possibility of having to return home.Wouldne me in the least bit others if restrictions not pubs and restaurants as got dcwith me.

Well it seems people want me to sacrifice my child so they can get on with their lives....fuck that 'vunerable' kid who would have lived until they were an old age pensioner if they hadn't of contracted covid but fuck them because I want to carry on with my life and I'm not making sacrifices for anyone else !
People have made sacrifices but they need to continue doing so ! If everyone plays a small part reduces their social contact, practises social distancing etc then we can lead as normal lives as is possible alongside covid as we will all have to do. But complacency leads us down the wrong route and leads to life being tougher with more restrictions on everyone !

But for the people I know its not a small part, its losing their homes, not being able to afford food, no longer having a career they have worked hard for.

Its not the people who are fault, its the government, my sister is vulnerable, yet she still has to send her 2 kids in, to two different schools and continue working in her face to face job. How the fuck is that making sense with anything the government is saying.

My brother and his wife had their income taken away overnight and now are hanging on my their nails because they got no support.

Both have sacrificed everything, wear masks, do everything and yet you want them to sacrifice more?

Should have said not bothered about restrictions to pubs and restaurant.

It's easy to say everyone has to make sacrifices when your only sacrifices are that you can't have parties and go traveling.

Some people have sacrificed their livelihoods, their businesses are ruined or hanging by a thread, some sacrificed their mental health, some people's loved ones have killed themselves due to the lockdown, some have lost jobs that look like they will never get back because industries are ruined, some young people have graduated with NO prospect of a job, people's cancer diagnosis missed because they couldn't get a check up...

When have we sacrificed enough?

@Sobeyondthehills

*Well it seems people want me to sacrifice my child so they can get on with their lives....fuck that 'vunerable' kid who would have lived until they were an old age pensioner if they hadn't of contracted covid but fuck them because I want to carry on with my life and I'm not making sacrifices for anyone else ! People have made sacrifices but they need to continue doing so ! If everyone plays a small part reduces their social contact, practises social distancing etc then we can lead as normal lives as is possible alongside covid as we will all have to do. But complacency leads us down the wrong route and leads to life being tougher with more restrictions on everyone !*

But for the people I know its not a small part, its losing their homes, not being able to afford food, no longer having a career they have worked hard for.

Its not the people who are fault, its the government, my sister is vulnerable, yet she still has to send her 2 kids in, to two different schools and continue working in her face to face job. How the fuck is that making sense with anything the government is saying.

My brother and his wife had their income taken away overnight and now are hanging on my their nails because they got no support.

Both have sacrificed everything, wear masks, do everything and yet you want them to sacrifice more?

Those people can't sacrifice anymore if they have as you say follwed guidance etc fair play to them as well ! And it's unfortunate about their financial situation as well but as you say the blame for that is on the government as well and the children being forced into school. Our children have not returned to school due to the risks and quite frankly I don't care what the government think of my choice on that right now. I've sacrificed my job we now are down a full persons wage because it was too high risk with the DC But there will be more heartache and businesses lost to come if the rest of the idiots can't just follow some of the simpler rules....if everyone followed strict social distancing and limited their contacts we wouldn't be sat here today looking at having to lock down entire sectors again and hitting bars and restaurants whenever tbh there's little to no proof that they are even the cause at all....but they will suffer because someone just had to have a party at their house with 30 other people because it's their right to do so and it was unfair on their DC not to get to celebrate their 2nd birthday or whatever the hell lame reason it was. People have genuine reasons for breaking guidance as well and tbh as much as I'm very much on the we need to do everything I wouldn't begrudge anyone visiting their elderly relative who lives alone to give them some company etc ! But there still is a vast majority of people in the area I live in completely disregarding any of the guidelines and now we have had sectors shut down again etc as a result of that !

I am fine if people want to go back to normal. Go ahead But remember I have seen what viruses can do our kids since they have viral induced asthma. I like to have an option to keep them home, a lot of people like this option because they know their own health risks. But when you force people to open, you are forcing these people to do it too. Or they can lose their jobs. It isn’t really fair to them

Sobeyondthehills, I felt a lot of anger to some of my family, they know my kids have been hospitalized for viral induced asthma. But they retweeted posts about no mask. I felt they don’t care at all.

Those people can't sacrifice anymore if they have as you say follwed guidance etc fair play to them as well !
And it's unfortunate about their financial situation as well but as you say the blame for that is on the government as well and the children being forced into school.
Our children have not returned to school due to the risks and quite frankly I don't care what the government think of my choice on that right now.
I've sacrificed my job we now are down a full persons wage because it was too high risk with the DC
But there will be more heartache and businesses lost to come if the rest of the idiots can't just follow some of the simpler rules....if everyone followed strict social distancing and limited their contacts we wouldn't be sat here today looking at having to lock down entire sectors again and hitting bars and restaurants whenever tbh there's little to no proof that they are even the cause at all....but they will suffer because someone just had to have a party at their house with 30 other people because it's their right to do so and it was unfair on their DC not to get to celebrate their 2nd birthday or whatever the hell lame reason it was.
People have genuine reasons for breaking guidance as well and tbh as much as I'm very much on the we need to do everything I wouldn't begrudge anyone visiting their elderly relative who lives alone to give them some company etc ! But there still is a vast majority of people in the area I live in completely disregarding any of the guidelines and now we have had sectors shut down again etc as a result of that !

You are right they can't and yet you and others on this thread combine them with others.

You say you have sacrificed your job, I assume that by doing that, you are not placing your children into risk of losing their house? You will still have gas, electric, the council won't prosecute you because you can pay your council tax? You can afford to feed your kids? You have the technology to be able to homeschool your kids?

As far as I know, in my area, the majority of people are following the rules, I know my family have done, I am seeing nothing but people sacrifice and yet they are now being called selfish because they need to get money in and can no longer afford to not work.

You keep picking on the idiots who are probably in the minority of breaking the rules, not the people are are being forced into a decision because they can't afford not to work.

The word selfish keeps being banded around without the thought that people were left behind, people who were struggling to begin with due to living on the breadline, or their mental health was shit to begin with and they were on a waiting list, has deteriorated, the people finding a lump on their breast and now can't get an appointment.

People are still being left behind and now they have the added bonus of being judged by other members of the public

@blueberrypie0112

I am fine if people want to go back to normal. Go ahead But remember I have seen what viruses can do our kids since they have viral induced asthma. I like to have an option to keep them home, a lot of people like this option because they know their own health risks. But when you force people to open, you are forcing these people to do it too. Or they can lose their jobs. It isn’t really fair to them

It was a 'normal' run of the mill virus that has contributed to my child having life long health issues ....something not even in the same league as Covid ....and it took a long time after they had 'recovered' from the virus to realise the long term effects. Many will discover this in the months that lie ahead and then they will be moaning about that as well. I agree with you give people the option to make their own decisions especially regarding schooling. My DC gets a common cold that is generally a mild illness for most and we always end up in respiratory distress yet I'm expected to believe and also to take the risk that 'children only get mildly Ill from covid'

@userxx

How utterly selfish.

The most over used world of this shit show. Selfish. It's laughable.

Not just me then. I never want to hear “selfish” again. The irony of it being the worst sim imaginable in one of the most self centred cultures the world’s ever known.

@blueberrypie0112

If you want to keep your kids at home, there is nothing stopping you from homeschooling your kids. I can't homeschool my child or afford the fine. Leaving me with the one choice, same with my sister

As for your family, nothing easier than telling them to fuck off, block and delete off social media.

In my areas, they had to let some (low risk) people in jail go free because they couldn’t place them in mental healthcare system. They couldn’t keep it going because of COVID-19 keep spreading to everyone

[quote Sobeyondthehills]@blueberrypie0112

If you want to keep your kids at home, there is nothing stopping you from homeschooling your kids. I can't homeschool my child or afford the fine. Leaving me with the one choice, same with my sister

As for your family, nothing easier than telling them to fuck off, block and delete off social media.[/quote]
I don’t think they will let me homeschool, you have to have proof you are qualified in my state. But she have online learning anyhow so all is good

@Sobeyondthehills

*Those people can't sacrifice anymore if they have as you say follwed guidance etc fair play to them as well ! And it's unfortunate about their financial situation as well but as you say the blame for that is on the government as well and the children being forced into school. Our children have not returned to school due to the risks and quite frankly I don't care what the government think of my choice on that right now. I've sacrificed my job we now are down a full persons wage because it was too high risk with the DC But there will be more heartache and businesses lost to come if the rest of the idiots can't just follow some of the simpler rules....if everyone followed strict social distancing and limited their contacts we wouldn't be sat here today looking at having to lock down entire sectors again and hitting bars and restaurants whenever tbh there's little to no proof that they are even the cause at all....but they will suffer because someone just had to have a party at their house with 30 other people because it's their right to do so and it was unfair on their DC not to get to celebrate their 2nd birthday or whatever the hell lame reason it was. People have genuine reasons for breaking guidance as well and tbh as much as I'm very much on the we need to do everything I wouldn't begrudge anyone visiting their elderly relative who lives alone to give them some company etc ! But there still is a vast majority of people in the area I live in completely disregarding any of the guidelines and now we have had sectors shut down again etc as a result of that !*

You are right they can't and yet you and others on this thread combine them with others.

You say you have sacrificed your job, I assume that by doing that, you are not placing your children into risk of losing their house? You will still have gas, electric, the council won't prosecute you because you can pay your council tax? You can afford to feed your kids? You have the technology to be able to homeschool your kids?

As far as I know, in my area, the majority of people are following the rules, I know my family have done, I am seeing nothing but people sacrifice and yet they are now being called selfish because they need to get money in and can no longer afford to not work.

You keep picking on the idiots who are probably in the minority of breaking the rules, not the people are are being forced into a decision because they can't afford not to work.

The word selfish keeps being banded around without the thought that people were left behind, people who were struggling to begin with due to living on the breadline, or their mental health was shit to begin with and they were on a waiting list, has deteriorated, the people finding a lump on their breast and now can't get an appointment.

People are still being left behind and now they have the added bonus of being judged by other members of the public

After many times of sitting at the side of a hospital bed just hoping my DC will come out the other side tbh I would lose the roof over my own head and I'd starve myself if I could only afford to feed my kids if I avoided ever having to go through that again ! Money for us is very very very tight but we also have never had a luxurious life we lead a very basic life we don't have a lot of outgoings as a result of a basic lifestyle we don't have cars we don't have flashy technology and have never had a holiday not even an overnight away because we can't afford to do so. Yes we are struggling through now but tbh I would do it again and again I also have a close family member who has been waiting since before the lockdown when they began the 2 week wait for a cancer diagnosis they have cancer that's been confirmed but as of yet have no plan of treatment ...as a direct result of the pressure covid is putting on the health service....if the hospitals have to deal with covid and flu then these people will have to wait even longer. So I'm certainly not approaching this from a privileged background or anything but....have spent my lifetime living on the breadline I'm well aware of it but people only care about it now as well because it's now affecting themselves !

And sure just lose those kids school places and homeschool them forever more that's another solution easily thrown about....why should we ? Why should we lose the place for something which is temporary and out of our control. The protection should be in place that these children are as entitled to a quality education than any other child in the country. Except to access that education now they are expected to put their lives and the lived of vunerable family members at risk ?
Why can't they have access to remote learning even just a small bit..a brief overview of what the class is covering etc...why does it have to be a permanent deregister and homeschool or go to school ?
Why should they have to be uprooted from a school they are settled in and love ?
I fully intend to return my children to school once cases reach an acceptable level and the risk is lower not least so that I can return to work and also for their own mental and social well-being but whenever the area is as I say the highest level of cases in the entire UK then why do we have to loose our school place ?

@Strawberrypancakes

I absolutely don’t give a shit about any new rules... does no one else feel this way? I’m over it.

Economy, cancer, mental health, every other illness!... ffs everyone needs to get over this.

You are destroying the economy and causing mental health and cancer deaths by ignoring the rules.

@gallbladderpain I'm sorry to hear about the struggles you have gone through with your daughter's health it must so scary and traumatic.
I think you are blaming the wrong people however it's understandable.
Just as you are going through a hard time and would do anything for the welfare of your daughter, so would everyone else.

My daughter has lost her job tonight as a result of her work shutting down due to this, she has very poor mental health and this has been the final straw for her in an awful year where she suffered a traumatic experience prior to lockdown.

The government gave everyone the green light to go out eat spend drink go go go boost the economy and lulled people into a sense that the danger had passed in a sense.
They allowed unis to con students into accommodation from all over the country for online courses that could be done at home.
They encouraged us to get back to work in offices.

Now they have done a U turn and blamed everyone for behaving exactly how they expected them too.
It's not as simple as calling people selfish idiots, some are but the majority of people breaking rules have been backed into a corner and felt pressure to work when they should be isolating.
Blame the government response not the public.
We are not all in the same boat the sacrifices made by some are nowhere near the scale of the sacrifices made by others.

You are destroying the economy and causing mental health and cancer deaths by ignoring the rules.

Divide and conquer still works well, it seems...

[quote scotsllb]@gallbladderpain I'm sorry to hear about the struggles you have gone through with your daughter's health it must so scary and traumatic.
I think you are blaming the wrong people however it's understandable.
Just as you are going through a hard time and would do anything for the welfare of your daughter, so would everyone else.

My daughter has lost her job tonight as a result of her work shutting down due to this, she has very poor mental health and this has been the final straw for her in an awful year where she suffered a traumatic experience prior to lockdown.

The government gave everyone the green light to go out eat spend drink go go go boost the economy and lulled people into a sense that the danger had passed in a sense.
They allowed unis to con students into accommodation from all over the country for online courses that could be done at home.
They encouraged us to get back to work in offices.

Now they have done a U turn and blamed everyone for behaving exactly how they expected them too.
It's not as simple as calling people selfish idiots, some are but the majority of people breaking rules have been backed into a corner and felt pressure to work when they should be isolating.
Blame the government response not the public.
We are not all in the same boat the sacrifices made by some are nowhere near the scale of the sacrifices made by others.
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Sorry to hear your daughter has lost her job. I hope your daughter is OK and that she can get support to get through this.
You are right the government have to take a lot of the blame but I do still believe that a lot of complacency has set in potentially as a result of the mixed messages from the government and also lots of people just deciding because they aren't personally at risk then they don't want to follow guidelines, they want to have normal lives, they are fed up etc. Social distancing has never been left out of the guidelines...yet over the summer people were meeting with family and friends which was allowed and still is in places but it was always to be with social distancing in place when meeting with someone outside your household and I can honestly say that I cannot name you a single person who has followed this rule apart from ourselves even my close family members have not and have been meeting up with each other with no social distancing...would I have done the same if we didn't have vunerable DC then id be lying if I said that I wouldn't have had the odd meet up but I certainly would have in the main been following the guidelines as I would not want to pass it on to anyone unknowingly vunerable or otherwise. I don't know if they realised that was always the case or the government didn't make the messaging very clear (which they didn't of course) but we can get control of this again we will never eradicate it or anything even close to that but with people strictly social distancing, even when they meet their family members, wearing masks etc then we can bring it back to the more manageable levels it was at which reduces the risks of health and the economy for everyone.
But I totally agree eat out to help out and then a month later we are now talking of closing down the hospitality sector again it beggars belief. It's also not right that certain industries seem to be getting the brunt of this more than others. Lots of pub and restaurant owners have been very responsible they have done all that has been asked of them and they are as 'covid secure' as can be possible yet they risk loosing their business for what ?
Yet as you say we can send back schools and university's with no mitigating factors ....and in the latest public health England they are the biggest area of outbreaks education ! So why is hospitality suffering as a result of this ?
Hopefully they get their act together but I can't see it to be honest.
For now we live in hope that we don't need any emergency medical treatment during this having sat in an ED last year for 16 hours with a child really unwell with low spo2 and literally they were at breaking point there was children even more unwell so they couldn't treat them all at the same time ! I dread to imagine what that will be like this year with covid in the mix !

“You are destroying the economy and causing mental health and cancer deaths by ignoring the rules.”

Thankfully my husband was able to get his huge skin cancer removed from his nose during the lockdown, if he waited , he would have bigger cancer battle to fight.

Now nearly everyone in the White House are positive for coronavirus, he is going to have a very hard time running his administration as normal, everything is slowed down. What’s happening in the White House is an example of what can happen to healthcare/mental health if it is overwhelmed.