At my breaking point now. Don't see light at the end of the tunnel

[Valleydad99]

This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?

Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?

My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.

My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.

We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at my breaking point & don't see a future for my children & me.

Evacuation was not compulsory, When it was offered, you had the choice to accept or decline. My grandmother refused evacuation for her kids.

'One of the biggest issues for people now is being separated from close family. Legally prohibited to see them no less.'

But there are so many options available to keep in touch! it isn't like the old days where there was only letters. Facetime is not the same as in the flesh no, but still contact and chat nonetheless.

I wonder if the people who cannot cope with these (so far) moderate restrictions have lived very charmed/sheltered lives and have never had to cope with any of life's tragedies and challenges, because once you have you really do develop an ability to think 'yes right, this is shit but we'll get through it'.

Can we please stop pretending that digital communication is in anyway comparable to seeing people in the flesh. We’re humans, not fucking holograms.

Absolutely. And then live with the knowledge that at any given moment they could be killed or injured by a bomb. Great time to be alive!

Look, all momentous events in history - wars, plagues, famines, political strife - bring about the very best and the very worst in people. If we were to speak to people who lived through the war, their accounts will be hugely varied. There is no singular ‘blitz’ or ‘war’ experience. Some profited massively from it, some lost everything. The same is largely true now.

People have every right to feel exactly as they feel. They have the right to hate it, to resent it, to feel miserable.

What they do not have the right to do is make the decision that because of that misery, someone else’s life is worth nothing. It really is as simple as that.

Also there are many people amongst the very young and very old for whom face timing and so on offers nothing whatsoever either because they can’t work it or they don’t really ‘get’ the experience.

@randomer

Utterly pointless comparing this situation to WW2. What are the links between the 2? It's horrible, people are suffering, I suppose thats a link.

The other link is that people have daft, uninformed opinions on both.

This thread, and the many other BUT THE WAR threads on MN, really show the failure of historical education in this country. So many seem to have got their entire understanding from one propaganda video about the blitz spirit but then feel qualified to lecture others on the basis of this 'knowledge'

What they do not have the right to do is make the decision that because of that misery, someone else’s life is worth nothing. It really is as simple as that.

They’re not saying that though. They may be questioning the extreme measures to prevent Covid deaths that are not applied to any cause of death, many of which we could do a much better job of minimising if we wanted to.

You do realise the OP was the one who first decided to speak about ‘blitz spirit’, don’t you?

That’s how it started to be discussed.

And when those extreme measures directly impact on someone’s ability to earn a living, I agree. When it’s inconvenience, I can’t, I’m sorry.

And when those extreme measures directly impact on someone’s ability to earn a living, I agree. When it’s inconvenience, I can’t, I’m sorry.

What about when it’s legally preventing you from seeing your elderly parents, who could die of all kinds of non Covid causes before this is over?

Awful. But what do you suggest as an alternative? I don’t know. I genuinely don’t have a clue. Should the government say ‘if these circumstances apply to you ... or these ... then ...’?

I do know it has been horrible. Funerals in particular, it must have been awful not being able to say goodbye in a manner that would traditionally have been the case.

But then doesn’t that rather put the rest of it in perspective? We aren’t being kept in solitary confinement.

We aren’t being kept in solitary confinement.

Some virtually are. If they live alone.

I think we need to start accepting that Covid kills, just like cancer, heart disease, RTAs kill. We won’t prevent all those deaths unfortunately. But that’s always been our human lot.

We need to stop panicking over case numbers, a lot of them don’t mean anything medically.

We need to support those who are vulnerable and want to protect themselves. Financially, socially, emotionally.

I just don’t believe that the ONLY way to avoid over running the health service is to keep locking down. It’s counter productive anyway as job losses impact in tax revenue. All the resources we can muster should go into unceasing capacity.

Continue with all the sensible measures like SD, masks, hand washing etc.

Basically

If someone lives alone, they can form a bubble with another household.

That isn’t to say it is easy, by the way.

However, someone living alone is not remotely the same as solitary confinement. It is misleading and wrong to say it is.

@TheKeatingFive

Can we please stop pretending that digital communication is in anyway comparable to seeing people in the flesh. We’re humans, not fucking holograms.

I have to presume that the demographic of Mumsnet contains a large proportion of people who like nothing better than spending their lives online and seeing as few RL people as possible 😂

'Can we please stop pretending that digital communication is in anyway comparable to seeing people in the flesh. We’re humans, not fucking holograms.'

Oh stop being so dramatic. If it's a choice between no contact or a chat on facetime I know which I'd choose. I suppose the health and wellbeing of my older and vulnerable relatives is my priority.

This is where I do find myself lost.

I understand “I’m concerned because the emphasis on coronavirus means that other essential healthcare is being sidelined or overlooked.”

I understand “Lockdown has ruined numerous people’s livelihoods.”

I do get it.

I can’t get my head around people who think seeing their mates or their child’s right to soft play is more important than a life. It’s not because I like spending time online. My parents died young, my young DS will never meet them, know what they were like, in any capacity. And people complain their kids ‘miss their grandparents.’ Well - yeah. And I’m sorry for that. But there is a difference between missing someone and being able to speak over zoom or whatever and literally never being able to see them again as long as you live. And the latter is shit.

The way I see it, the longer this goes on, older relatives in care homes will die of old age before we can hug them and spend quality time with them again. Virtual is shit (the only benefit being stopping people flying half way round the world for business meetings).

I can’t get my head around people who think seeing their mates or their child’s right to soft play is more important than a life

You can't get your head around it because literally noone on here thinks that.

Oh so go on then, tell me what the point of this whole discussion is?

That we hate the restrictions and that they are shit? That they are ruining people's lives financially, that people's mental health is suffering because they can't have normal human interaction?

None of that means people want anyone to die

No, of course you don’t. But by insisting that a child has the right to run about in church or that it is more important to hug elderly relatives than anything else, that’s the eventual by-product.

You don't really do nuance, do you?

You can be as rude to me as you want, Jan

You have dismissed the lives of those elderly and vulnerable people you claim you are protecting by ‘hugging’ them, you have repeatedly stated that your right to the small things that give you pleasure supersede other peoples health and well-being. To be honest, I’m not at all convinced you are genuine.

@Limona

You can be as rude to me as you want, Jan

You have dismissed the lives of those elderly and vulnerable people you claim you are protecting by ‘hugging’ them, you have repeatedly stated that your right to the small things that give you pleasure supersede other peoples health and well-being. To be honest, I’m not at all convinced you are genuine.

Yawn.

Limona - my parents also died young. Bloody unfair. But what’s that got to do with soft play ? I want my dcs to be able to get on with life because they are young .Ds had his graduate job axed. He has applied for a million jobs with no luck. - because hardly anyone is hiring. No seeing friends. No travelling. Dd in sixth form just stays in 100% of the time apart from the odd walk with a friend. It all seems to be a mess. When I think of myself at the same age I really could (and do) cry for them.