At my breaking point now. Don't see light at the end of the tunnel

[Valleydad99]

This is probably not going to sit well with people but I'm honestly at the point where I'm questioning what the fucking point of these virus measures are. All the masks/social distancing/lockdowns haven't worked in eliminating the virus & now apparently as cases rise it's back to lockdown again?

Am I the only one thinking maybe we need a plan B? Rather than being flamed for apparently trying to kill people for questioning it?

My 1 year old has been locked down for half her life. I can't take the kids to see sport or play inside for basically no reason.

My kids are no longer welcome at church because of SD & in case they wander around like kids do so now we have no spiritual guidance & anyone I express concerns to just say it's for the greater good & fuck you. "Suffer the little children" said Jesus except when they need god most I suppose.

We've been following all the fucking rules but now it's well if more people followed the rules this would all be over. But that's just not true is it. There's no magic bullet & a vaccine doesn't cause it all to go away so I guess we'll just stay in our bunkers shouting wear a mask at people until we're all dead.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is, guess I just want to shout into the void but I'm mentally at my breaking point & don't see a future for my children & me.

Racionworld I agree. My mother is the same age as the Queen. A lot of her memories of the war revolve around Guides, Guide camps and social activities with her Guide friends. Currently that is being denied to our young people.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

GetOffYourHighHorse my granny lived in extreme poverty most of her life and survived the war. The most important thing to her was spending time with family. The “blitz spirit” which got them through the war was family and community pulling together and supporting each other and spending time with each other. That’s precisely what people are unable to do at the moment.

You can’t simultaneously argue that we need to learn from that generation (who got through hard times with the support of friends, family and community) and also that people need to stop whinging about not being able to socialise (when socialising means getting through hard times with the support of friends, family and community).

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers . You CAN get out and about . You DO have the support of the community . What kind of socialisation did they do during WW2 that you can't currently do ? Huge festivals and sports events ? People's lives weren't like that then .

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers

I can’t. I’m in local lockdown and my parents live 50 miles away.

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers

You do realise that is not now the case in vast swathes of the country?
And what about those who have elderly loved ones in care homes? They may never see them again.

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers

At least 1/3 of the population in England can’t. It’s against the law, not just guidance. I’d be fine with the rule of six, where I live we never had it.

I haven’t seen anyone apart from DD and DH for nearly a month. I’ve been working from home since March so the only face to face conversation I get is 2 minutes for handover at nursery 3 times a week.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

I haven’t seen anyone apart from DD and DH for nearly a month. I’ve been working from home since March so the only face to face conversation I get is 2 minutes for handover at nursery 3 times a week.

Why don't you go out at the weekends or in the summer nights for a walk ?

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers

I cant, my family are abroad. Lucky you if all your family and friends live close to you and not in a lockdown area but it’s not the same for everyone.

What kind of socialisation did they do during WW2 that you can't currently do ?

They had huge dances, pubs, parties, ordinary workplaces etc etc. WW2 was completely different. They were crammed in shelters together.

Why don't you go out at the weekends or in the summer nights for a walk ?
Well firstly, because it’s October, but mainly because we aren’t allowed to mix with any other households at all. Even outside. It’s illegal to meet in homes, in any indoor venues or in gardens, and it’s against the guidance to meet anywhere out of doors (although not illegal). Are you suggesting people should break the rules then?

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers . You CAN get out and about . You DO have the support of the community . What kind of socialisation did they do during WW2 that you can't currently do ? Huge festivals and sports events ? People's lives weren't like that then

No you can’t. I’m in Bolton and we’ve had a brief gap in July when we could eat out with another household and before that meet outside in groups of 6 but restrictions have meant meeting family or friends has not been possible. It’s been crushingly depressing.

The thing is you CAN see your friends and families currently just not in huge numbers

Another one who can't. I am in an area where I can meet small numbers of people from one household outside, but my family are several hours away and we're not supposed to leave our area, so...

Wish we were in lockdown then I wouldn't have been able to babysit my friend's baby and my whole family wouldn't currently have covid.

@thisusernameismine

Oh that is shite!!!!! Hope you all recover ASAP, such bad luck

As I said, I think the comparison to the war is tasteless and pointless in the first place but I really don't know why people do it when their understanding of the period is below the level of the average primary school child.

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Why don't you go out at the weekends or in the summer nights for a walk ? Well firstly, because it’s October, but mainly because we aren’t allowed to mix with any other households at all. Even outside. It’s illegal to meet in homes, in any indoor venues or in gardens, and it’s against the guidance to meet anywhere out of doors (although not illegal). Are you suggesting people should break the rules then?

Don't be silly . I am saying you need to get out and about for some fresh air , your own mental welfare etc . Did you only ever go out to meet people ? You can't do that on your own ? You never went for a walk to get out of the house ? I didn't realise October was minus zero degrees even up North or in the Midlands

Yes I would break the rules and meet a friend outside.

I don’t get the comparison to the war, the war must have been awful to live through but at least people could still get comfort and support from others.

I suppose the comparisons are because of the enormity of the crisis.

It's not the same, the war was obviously worse - many men didn't return, many more men permantly disabled, whole towns/cities bombed to smithereens, Coventry, Hull etc- but it's the seriousness of the situation I think is the comparison

@VivaMiltonKeynes but her original post wasn’t about never leaving the house, it was about wanting interaction with other people

Don't be silly . I am saying you need to get out and about for some fresh air , your own mental welfare etc . Did you only ever go out to meet people ? You can't do that on your own ? You never went for a walk to get out of the house ? I didn't realise October was minus zero degrees even up North or in the Midlands confused

What are you talking about? I meant the only people I got to speak to in person were DD and DH, not that I never leave the house. I go for plenty of walks alone but walking past strangers isn’t a huge comfort And my October point was just me being facetious because you mentioned “summer” evenings which are long gone in October, even down South I assume.

I leave the house. I go for walks. I miss social contact with my friends and family, is that any clearer? You’re obviously backtracking from the ignorance you displayed in your earlier comments where you assumed everyone was under the rule of 6 when many of us are under far harsher restrictions.

[quote AgentCooper]@VivaMiltonKeynes but her original post wasn’t about never leaving the house, it was about wanting interaction with other people [/quote]
Original post since when did comments stay on track with that ?

@JeanClaudeVanDammit

Don't be silly . I am saying you need to get out and about for some fresh air , your own mental welfare etc . Did you only ever go out to meet people ? You can't do that on your own ? You never went for a walk to get out of the house ? I didn't realise October was minus zero degrees even up North or in the Midlands confused

What are you talking about? I meant the only people I got to speak to in person were DD and DH, not that I never leave the house. I go for plenty of walks alone but walking past strangers isn’t a huge comfort And my October point was just me being facetious because you mentioned “summer” evenings which are long gone in October, even down South I assume.

I leave the house. I go for walks. I miss social contact with my friends and family, is that any clearer? You’re obviously backtracking from the ignorance you displayed in your earlier comments where you assumed everyone was under the rule of 6 when many of us are under far harsher restrictions.

Do you never Zoom etc ?

'We’re very keen to talk about the importance of getting out and seeing other mums at baby groups etc when we have young children, of not isolating ourselves, of remembering that our own mental health as mothers is as important as our children’s wellbeing. '

I know talking about the past is frowned upon but our parents generation managed just fine without baby groups and soft plays. Yes mental health is of course important but compromise. Use Zoom calls, WhatsApp groups to chat to friends. Honestly it isnt solitary confinement for 6 months without WiFi or without being allowed to leave the house. Shops are open, schools are open!

Do you never Zoom etc ?

Occasionally, yes. It’s not really helped, tbh, perhaps because I’m working from home so spend a fair bit of the working week on video calls so I mentally associate them with work.

And my daughter is a toddler who just spends the entire call asking why we can’t go to granny and grandad’s house, why won’t Nana come to see her anymore, etc. I’m sure things would be worse without zoom etc, but it’s a piss poor substitute for spending time with people in person.

I’m following the rules and will stick to what we’re asked to do, but I think it’s ok to be finding it tough and be starting to question it. Aren’t we allowed to be struggling with it all?

@GetOffYourHighHorse when I was a toddler in the late 80s, yeah playgroups definitely existed. And mothers were allowed to go round to each other’s houses. I’d say the latter point is the biggie here. The Guardian reported a threefold increase in women reporting postnatal mental illness in the summer.

And I don’t think any schools would be willing to accept my three year old yet. But thanks for your input.