If masks work. Most places are supposedly covid safe. Why are cases rising.

[LetsPlayAGame20]

Genuine question that's juts popped into my mind.

Surely if cases are rising and majority are following rules. Why are cases rapidly increasing

Have you thought about all the cases in schools and household transmission....

The rules are ineffective.

Because transmission is occurring in settings where masks aren’t worn... private residences and schools are hotspots at the moment.

I guessed it would be schools, touch wood ds school and any local here haven't had any cases and I'm a large city.
However they're meant to be covid secure.

Have you not noticed how many people are NOT wearing masks, NOT social distancing and swerving the hand gel in shop doorways?

Because people wear their masks under their nose and under their chin.

People reuse the same mask all week

Because people use their mask then touch their face and everything else without cleaning their hands

Because people don't wear masks due to attitude or exemption, or setting.

Because people don't isolate when they do get symptoms

Educational settings, which have the perfect conditions for spread according to the Government's CSO and CMO briefings. Regardless of where the initial positive case originated from, almost half of current transmission is happening here according to the data. As a parent who has to put her trust in the safety of this environment, it is very worrying.

The problems seem to be private homes, parties and pubs where masks aren't worn. I don't think there is any evidence that schools are a cause.

If masks were sufficient alone then there wouldn't be other measures alongside them... masks most likely help reduce the risk of catching not eliminate the risk plus reduce the viral load should you catch which in turn reduces the severity with which people have the virus... media reports are that viral load in recent infections are lower than start of pandemic so mask and distancing are reducing the exposure and working effectively - they've not be sold as a full proof prevention method...

People don’t wear masks at home, so mixing households helps the spread.

Students partying.

Schools.

Well apart from the second wave happening two weeks after schools went back after people spending the summer in the pub without issue.

I saw a woman in our gp surgery last week. She walked in with her mask on under her nose. Then proceeded to take it off her face everytime she spoke!! I don’t think she’s alone in the ridiculous practise!!

People comeback from holidays and not self isolating.

It’s a combination of all that

@notevenat20

The problems seem to be private homes, parties and pubs where masks aren't worn. I don't think there is any evidence that schools are a cause.

This shows the percentage of cases in different settings for last week - enough evidence for you?

@LetsPlayAGame20

Genuine question that's juts popped into my mind.

Surely if cases are rising and majority are following rules. Why are cases rapidly increasing

Because too many people aren't following rules.

Schools, schools and schools. That doesn't mean we close again, though.

And the idiots not following the rules because they are "special", but hopefully the increased fines will do something. DH went into the office on Monday and when I collected him off the train every single person getting off had a mask on, hurrah.

I find it very bizarre that we are allowed to go to a coffee shop in a group of 6 from different households and sit round the same table. No distancing no masks. Same in pubs and restaurants.

I know the hospitality trade is suffering hugely and needs the money but surely this can’t be helping.

Schools are an issue too of course but with two big differences 1) education is more important than a meal out and 2) primary age children can’t really social distance, adults can.

@Showchin2 do you have a source for that chart?

"Covid-secure" is the biggest load of nonsense, out of a huge pool to select from, that BJ and his government have come out with so far.

Viruses are micro, in fact nanoscopic. The cloth masks that Auntie Maureen makes and sells on FB are completely permeable to viruses, as are the standard surgical masks. Even the specialised (and expensive) N95 masks only filter 95% of particles and some viruses.

All they are doing, at best, is preventing you getting a large, all in one viral load or dose of the Covid virus at once if someone sneezes on you.

LetsPlayAGame20

“I guessed it would be schools, touch wood ds school and any local here haven't had any cases and I'm a large city.
However they're meant to be covid secure”

But schools aren’t Covid secure though, and many seem to be under the illusion they are. There is no social distancing in school bubbles (often up to 200-300 people in each bubble), sitting in poorly ventilated rooms. So many people think their children are sat socially distanced in the classroom, just like the images the media has given us, but this is not the case in reality.

The piechart is actually clusters and outbreaks rather than cases. As we dont know cases in any setting.

It is schools.
As minimum teachers should teach in masks

The piechart is meaningless without a source. It could be referring to a different month or a different country or anything.

Cases started rising after masks were introduced:-
People no longer socially distance with masks, they think they are invincible
But the biggy: CDC has changed information about CV19 being airborne www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3739

Yes ds is a massive year group bubble of around 200 I think.
He said they face eachother at tables as tables don't fit other ways.. There is one way systems on corridors but his head of year has said if it means it's going to take 5 min to follow the loop to the right but your next class is 4 doors to the left don't worry and go the quickest way.
Theyve given up trying to make kids wear masks in corridors and places because a large % didn't want to wear them.
Da had 4 of his stolen!. I haven't the funds to keep buying them with enough to last.

I believe statistically the highest rate of transmission happens in the home, however it's not included at all in the pie chart posted by Showchin. I wonder why?

I think you have to look at the data - a high percentage is within schools and universities. However, for universities, presumably it's not happening in the classrooms as there are very few lectures, maybe halls of residence or flatshares are bringing the numbers up?

I would really like to have a more accurate breakdown of case transmissions within the home/place of residence.