If masks work. Most places are supposedly covid safe. Why are cases rising.

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Genuine question that's juts popped into my mind.

Surely if cases are rising and majority are following rules. Why are cases rapidly increasing

All of the above, plus masks are just a sop to get anxious people back into shops.

They might do this, but they also put the un-anxious off, because the un-anxious resent wearing them. I like shopping, but not with a mask on. I'd rather be maskless and take my chances with Covid.

Me too mona. I don’t shop now. This will kill the high street.

@MonaCorona
Agree Cases are getting to same as when we didn't wear them do what's point, and before people start what happens if we don't wear th.spunds similar to maskless times

The masks these hair stylists wore certainly worked. www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm#:~:text=On%20May%2012%2C%202020%20(day,2019%20(COVID%2D19

Plenty of studies showing they do work.

ONS studies cast light on where people have been before their positive test - educational settings, restaurants, work, home. But you wont let actual data get in the way of your prejudice.

[quote HeresMe]@MonaCorona
Agree Cases are getting to same as when we didn't wear them do what's point, and before people start what happens if we don't wear th.spunds similar to maskless times[/quote]
Except:

• cases are not rising as fast
• those wearing masks are thought to get less sick
• cases are happening where masks are worn less

Schools aren't COVID secure.
People ignoring rules. I had someone not wearing a mask almost bump into me whilst I was sanitizing hands etc
Not all restaurants are COVID secure.

I nust admit I haven't bedn back to gym.

And now we discover that Boris's incompetent pal, Dido Harding, has lost god knows how many test (but over 10,000) that have been processed so late that they have not been isolating and neither have their contacts.

Our incompetent government and their equally incompetent pals have really screwed up.

I thought that people had received their results and it was a glitch with collating the statistics?

@tobee

I thought that people had received their results and it was a glitch with collating the statistics?

Individuals received their results, but they were not passed to tracing do contacts we're not told to isolate.

Mess

Sorry bad typing - so contacts were not told to isolate

[quote JumperTime]V small sample study but my colleague tested positive and is quite ill. Our work means we are in v close contact for periods through the day, as in

covid safe doesn't mean anything

I've seen an awful lot of people 'wearing' masks with their noses out (which kind of defeats the purpose) and I know my daughter was on the train to work the other day (and we are in an area of local lockdown) and saw someone take their mask off to cough - and then put it back on

Last night we didnt know that the individuals tested had got their results, today we are told they did get them but did not get the phone calls to reinforce the need to isolate. However they were possibly feeling ill, since they got a test - while their contacts will not have known and went on spreading infection.

It is very misleading of the Government to refer to positive test results as "cases" - they are not "cases".

• The PCR test is a screening test - not a diagnostic test.

• The rate of false positives has been estimated as possibly as high as 90%

• Increased testing means that there will be an increase in positive results - but it is impossible to know whether there has been a significant increase in people who actually have Covid-19, let alone a "rapid rise".

The missing information to get a more accurate estimate of the real prevalence of Covid-19 is the expected rates of false positives and negatives from PCR testing.

However, the false positives will likely highly outnumber the false negatives.

This can be estimated from the fact that rises in hospital admissions for Covid-19, of ITU admissions for Covid-19 and deaths from Covid-19 are not showing anything like the same pattern of increase.

Taking into account the time-lags between infection, appearance of symptoms, etc. the figures only make sense if a high level of false positives is assumed.

The Government needs to publish the information that would enable a much more accurate estimate of the actual prevalence of Covid-19.

They also need to stop calling positive test results "cases", so that people who have tested positive without symptoms are not falsely reassured into thinking that they have "had Covid" and are now immune.

If you get a positive result, it is possible that you have Covid-19, maybe just a 1 in 10 chance that you have Covid according to some estimates.

Please see this Petition asking the Government to release information about the rate of false positives and negatives from PCR Pillar 2 testing - without this information the "case" numbers published by Government are likely to be wildly misleading:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4042381-Government-Publish-false-positive-and-negative-Covid-19-test-data-for-Pillar-2?msgid=100586210

Because only 2/3 people are wearing them properly. Young people around here (under30) obviously have high rates of copd and ptsd because very few wear masks!!!

"The rate of false positives has been estimated as possibly as high as 90%

However, the false positives will likely highly outnumber the false negatives."

When I was young we used to talk about "one born every minute" - but production has obviously stepped up. This is junk, with no evidence base whatsoever.

Why do you think those statements are mutually exclusive?

I am happy to be corrected if I am wrong.

US CDC: Absence of Apparent Transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from Two Stylists After Exposure at a Hair Salon with a Universal Face Covering Policy — Springfield, Missouri, May 2020

They had COVID with symptoms, but wore masks and spent at least 15 minutes with 139 clients - but didn't infect any of them

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm6928e2.htm#:~:text=On%20May%2012%2C%202020%20(day,2019%20(COVID%2D19).

Yes of course they shouldn't have been working with Covid symptoms,
but even breaking the rules, their masks protected their 139 clients

Ds has the app as he is the only one going out away from home, his phone picked up he had been in close enough contact to exchange signals with over 800 people in 2 days, that is just going to & from school. We nearly have a heart attack every time his phone pings.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/false-positives-coronavirus_uk_5f686da4c5b6de79b677e909

“No, 90% Of Coronavirus Tests Are Not 'False Positives' And This Is Why”