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If masks work. Most places are supposedly covid safe. Why are cases rising.

222 replies

LetsPlayAGame20 · 30/09/2020 10:00

Genuine question that's juts popped into my mind.

Surely if cases are rising and majority are following rules. Why are cases rapidly increasing

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Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow · 02/10/2020 22:51

Yes Queen but I’m questioning the use of cloth masks, worn damp, touched and stuffed back in the pocket, nicely growing bacteria until work an hour later.

Any trials on that?

stayathomer · 03/10/2020 20:16

In Ireland cases have risen significantly today, advice is still about limiting house visits. Nothing else, I find it so disheartening, I don't want a lockdown but st least tell people to think about the amount of places they go to eg shops etc and try to limit them or ask people to stay home more. There is no way this is all coming from house visits

MadameBlobby · 03/10/2020 20:30

@QueenBlueberries

I cannot believe that people are still questioning the effectiveness of masks. Every credible university has published papers showing their efficiency at slowing down the spread of the virus, from a scientific perspective and also from the perspective of demographics science and epidemiology.
Given cases have done nothing but go up since we had to wear them it’s hardly surprising. This thread is full of oh people aren’t wearing them properly, it’s schools, etc but the answer could also equally be that they don’t actually make much difference.

Hardly any cases in pubs and restaurants where they aren’t worn

Jessuk86 · 03/10/2020 20:53

I’ve recently taken my los to soft play and a play cafe was lovely to do something normal with them but as much as they clean them still the perfect spreading ground if one child in a session was asymptotic then I’m pretty sure most people in that session would stand a good chance of getting infected as lots of putting mask on and off to tend to DC then coming back to table and continuing to eat cake....as most parents like myself were enjoying 5 minutes peace they were diving back into the tea and cake as soon as the DC started playing again after touching DC who had been in contact with other children and sharing all the toys. Personally I’m glad of these places being open and hope they don’t have to close again but can also see them being a place germs could spread

Jessuk86 · 03/10/2020 20:55

Will be interesting to see if pub and restaurant transmission goes up now people are putting on a mask whenever they get up to go to the loo or in my example of the play cafe putting. Mask on whenever one of your children calls you to the play area then taking it off again when back at the table.

Jessuk86 · 03/10/2020 21:00

Another one could be gyms and exercise classes all those people huffing puffing and sweating indoors plus aircon?

stayathomer · 03/10/2020 21:05

This thread is full of oh people aren’t wearing them properly, it’s schools, etc but the answer could also equally be that they don’t actually make much difference.
It is totally possible and who knows what's right or wrong anymore, but I am very aware lately of how spluttery I am when I laugh, talk etc, so me wearing a mask has got to help someone!! The other thing is social distancing- I saw a sign today showing how far 1m and 2m was. A huge percentage of people most definitely do not social distance!!!

Chloemol · 03/10/2020 21:26

Because people are not following the rules, just look at the posts on MN, people not isolating when returning from holiday, people in restricted areas carrying n as before, the ‘just use your common sense’ brigade. School bubbles are big, people are not wearing masks ( yes I know so e are exempt but lots are saying they are exempt when really they do t see why they should, look at all the anti maskers). People still not SD etc etc

MadameBlobby · 04/10/2020 01:42

@stayathomer

This thread is full of oh people aren’t wearing them properly, it’s schools, etc but the answer could also equally be that they don’t actually make much difference. It is totally possible and who knows what's right or wrong anymore, but I am very aware lately of how spluttery I am when I laugh, talk etc, so me wearing a mask has got to help someone!! The other thing is social distancing- I saw a sign today showing how far 1m and 2m was. A huge percentage of people most definitely do not social distance!!!
True. Who knows any more! I just do as I am told and hope for the best!!
FatimaMunchy · 04/10/2020 05:55

At the supermarket yesterday I only saw one person without a mask. However hardly anyone used the handsanitiser or sanitised their trolley handle, and social distancing was absolutely optional. Perhaps we were better off with distancing, one way systems, fewer in the shop etc, but no masks.

PseudoBadger · 04/10/2020 06:17

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow

Yes Queen but I’m questioning the use of cloth masks, worn damp, touched and stuffed back in the pocket, nicely growing bacteria until work an hour later.

Any trials on that?

Viruses don't replicate on surfaces like bacteria
Derbygerbil · 04/10/2020 07:16

Will be interesting to see if pub and restaurant transmission goes up now people are putting on a mask whenever they get up to go to the loo or in my example of the play cafe putting. Mask on whenever one of your children calls you to the play area then taking it off again when back at the table.

It would be very interesting if cases actually went up as people wore masks more in restaurants etc. That would go completely against the primary way in which the virus is believed to spread.

Derbygerbil · 04/10/2020 07:19

Hardly any cases in pubs and restaurants where they aren’t worn

Is that true?... especially pubs with people mixing?

Sittin · 04/10/2020 07:43

Beached - really? I often talk to my colleagues- lunch, break, department conversations, walking to lessons, before school, meetings.... How do you teach without speaking to your colleagues

MadameBlobby · 04/10/2020 07:51

@Derbygerbil

Hardly any cases in pubs and restaurants where they aren’t worn

Is that true?... especially pubs with people mixing?

I saw some sort of report on graph last week and about 3.5% of the cases that week were in hospitality
JumperTime · 04/10/2020 07:57

V small sample study but my colleague tested positive and is quite ill. Our work means we are in v close contact for periods through the day, as in

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 07:59

"Another one could be gyms and exercise classes all those people huffing puffing and sweating indoors plus aircon?*

Do some research rather than saying it could be.

Fitness and leisure sector reports COVID rate of 0.34 per 100,000 visits since reopening in England.

So no it's not gyms spreading itand a lot of air con pumps air from outside rather than recirculating.

RepeatSwan · 04/10/2020 08:02

@FatimaMunchy

At the supermarket yesterday I only saw one person without a mask. However hardly anyone used the handsanitiser or sanitised their trolley handle, and social distancing was absolutely optional. Perhaps we were better off with distancing, one way systems, fewer in the shop etc, but no masks.
I think shops will need separate shopping times, they can have covidiots Mon and Tues, coronaphobes Weds and Thurs. We'll have to split the weekend somehow? Only joking...

I was getting very Shock in town yesterday as the people not following rules that I saw were often much older than me, and I was thinking about how much more at risk they are than me.

RepeatSwan · 04/10/2020 08:04

@HeresMe

"Another one could be gyms and exercise classes all those people huffing puffing and sweating indoors plus aircon?*

Do some research rather than saying it could be.

Fitness and leisure sector reports COVID rate of 0.34 per 100,000 visits since reopening in England.

So no it's not gyms spreading itand a lot of air con pumps air from outside rather than recirculating.

Also gym attendees are young, so more likely to be asymptomatic, so won't show up in figures.

The figures are quite meaningless because we are not doing enough random testing nor enough meaningful tracing.

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 08:12

Also gym attendees are young, so more likely to be asymptomatic, so won't show up in figures.

Have you ever been to a gym? If you think that most are young , in my experience I am guessing not .

And the is evidence we have that it isn't getting spread in gyms. As desperate as people want to blame certain places the evidence isn't there.

RepeatSwan · 04/10/2020 08:13

@HeresMe

Also gym attendees are young, so more likely to be asymptomatic, so won't show up in figures.

Have you ever been to a gym? If you think that most are young , in my experience I am guessing not .

And the is evidence we have that it isn't getting spread in gyms. As desperate as people want to blame certain places the evidence isn't there.

I think many older people are still avoiding more risky environments.

Yes I have been to gyms.

RepeatSwan · 04/10/2020 08:15

As desperate as people want to blame certain places the evidence isn't there.

Sadly, absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence.

I'm not desperate to find anything in particular, but there really isn't much evidence at all for gyms.

frogswimming · 04/10/2020 08:42

Because masks help but they can't prevent all transmissions. Rates would be much higher without masks

KatherineJaneway · 04/10/2020 14:59

I think many older people are still avoiding more risky environments.

Not at my gym but can't speak for others.

HeresMe · 04/10/2020 18:03

@katherinejaneway

Mine too