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The doctors are all being paid to say the diagnosis is covid - it doesn't exist

416 replies

treebarking · 26/09/2020 19:13

This is what I heard when I turned on the news just a minute ago...by demonstrators in London today...I'm actually really shocked. Do people really think this?? There were A LOT of people at the demonstration...

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cbt944 · 27/09/2020 10:27

Calmy respond by trying to belittle me with things I don't even believe in?

Hate to break it to you, but the whole 'with not of' is a conspiracy theory.

SallySeven · 27/09/2020 10:30

Certainly not a case that lower IQ means you shouldn't have a voice.

My point really is it's really arrogant of posters to assume everyone had the luxury to assimilate a lot of (at times contradictory) input from news and internet and come up with a reasoned response.

Those in charge are coping with a fast shifting situation. They seem a bit lost too tbh. It was not covered in THEIR education and training!

trappedsincesundaymorn · 27/09/2020 10:30

Well, I would put it to you that hospitals dealing with Covid patients are able to read a lung X-ray, for starters

Except mum never had a lung x-ray...it would have been a bit silly as the problem that needed urgent hospital treatment was in her leg.

juliastone · 27/09/2020 10:31

@Lesserspottedmama

Not so long ago you had to believe the earth was flat and the royal family were secretly reptiles to earn the title conspiracy theorist but these days it seems that if you question anything at all to do with covid and the handling of it then you are dismissed as a conspiracy theorist. Clever way of discrediting and silencing anyone who doesn’t agree with the people in power.
Agree 100%
Orange89 · 27/09/2020 10:32

@mrshoho

Hows that then

Orange89 · 27/09/2020 10:34

@juliastone

Agree!!

SallySeven · 27/09/2020 10:34

I'm confused by this thread now tbh.

Is covid 19 disease non existent according to this reading of the situation?

frumpety · 27/09/2020 10:36

@TrustTheGeneGenie

I'm sure that there are but if there are several causes of death on a death certificate how do we know what killed them? We don't. We know they had a couple of things up with them at the time of death and that's all we know.

If you look at how the death certificate is completed , it should show a distinct sequence of events leading to the death and states;

Cause of death the disease or condition thought to be the underlying cause should appear in the lowest completed line of part I

I (a) Disease or condition leading directly to death

I (b) other disease or condition, if any, leading to 1(a)

I (c) other disease or condition, if any, leading to 1(b)

II Other significant conditions Contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition causing it

Derbygerbil · 27/09/2020 10:37

I do believe there's a virus and will take procautions as I have a sick dad who no doubt if he died it would be stated he has covid but I dont think things add up!

Why would you believe “no doubt if he died it would be stated he had Covid”?! How does that square with only 1-2% of all deaths including Covid on the death certificate in August? Even if you believe that doctors nationally are routinely putting “Covid” on death certificates for no good reason, they clearly aren’t!

Orange89 · 27/09/2020 10:37

My opinion is it exists (probably leaked from a lab) BUT the fear is the real virus and its being used to manipulate situations and for the benefit of the long game.

Bollss · 27/09/2020 10:38

@cbt944

Calmy respond by trying to belittle me with things I don't even believe in?

Hate to break it to you, but the whole 'with not of' is a conspiracy theory.

No it's not and you clearly do not understand that people can die of something whilst suffering with something else. People have underlying conditions that don't kill them you know? Or are all deaths a conspiracy.
Bollss · 27/09/2020 10:40

[quote frumpety]@TrustTheGeneGenie

I'm sure that there are but if there are several causes of death on a death certificate how do we know what killed them? We don't. We know they had a couple of things up with them at the time of death and that's all we know.

If you look at how the death certificate is completed , it should show a distinct sequence of events leading to the death and states;

Cause of death the disease or condition thought to be the underlying cause should appear in the lowest completed line of part I

I (a) Disease or condition leading directly to death

I (b) other disease or condition, if any, leading to 1(a)

I (c) other disease or condition, if any, leading to 1(b)

II Other significant conditions Contributing to death but not related to the disease or condition causing it[/quote]
I think they're counting anyone with it mentioned and as they don't publicise all the death certificates or tell us the public who had it as main cause and so on and so forth, we, the public, don't know.

cbt944 · 27/09/2020 10:41

Except mum never had a lung x-ray...it would have been a bit silly as the problem that needed urgent hospital treatment was in her leg.

I am really sorry for your loss.

I think the key phrase in the sentence you quoted was 'for starters'. There are also tell-tale skin signs related to Covid, for example; Covid effects the circulatory system and can cause clots, etc. I don't know what happened, obviously, But if it would help you, dealing with your mother's death, then I am sure someone could explain things further to you if you were to speak to someone involved in your mother's medical care.

cbt944 · 27/09/2020 10:42

No it's not and you clearly do not understand that people can die of something whilst suffering with something else. People have underlying conditions that don't kill them you know?

Oh....okay. Guess you didn't read that article.

backs slowly away from thread

Bollss · 27/09/2020 10:45

[quote cbt944]No it's not and you clearly do not understand that people can die of something whilst suffering with something else. People have underlying conditions that don't kill them you know?

Oh....okay. Guess you didn't read that article.

backs slowly away from thread

Tomatoesneedtoripen · 27/09/2020 10:47

there are weekly events, not just in UK,
stupid sheep

Orange89 · 27/09/2020 10:49

And the article is from the MSM

DameFanny · 27/09/2020 10:51

@eaglejulesk

My concern is where does covid restrictions end and The Reset begin? There is a clear plan to reset society. It's right there on official sites. They've even got videos ffs. If you can't be arsed that's fine but don't ridicule people with genuine concerns who could be arsed.

Oh well, if they've got videos it must be true! Is it only covid which has set off The Reset? Why wasn't it done at the time of previous pandemics, or were those just practice runs.

Incidentally, do you know how many "end of the world" dates I've lived through? Enough not to give credence to any of this mad hatter stuff.

You're not wrong. People make a proposal for how things can be done differently and other people scream to the assumption that these proposals will be magically imposed on us, contrary to all experience.

It's the same muddled thinking that leads to people saying that liberals control everything, because people in media and - shock - universities are able to state their opinions.

A proposal is a proposal, and may in time form a manifesto or even a policy, but just because someone's been doing some joined-up thinking doesn't mean it happens automatically or even at all.

I think the biggest fear I have these days is of how easy it's been to mislead so many people, and what those people will be led to next Sad

SallySeven · 27/09/2020 10:54

I can see individual certificates can be debated.

However there was a massive spike in deaths in Spring that would imply far MORE people at that point we're dying than were classed as covid deaths.

Possibly from circulatory problems like stroke and heart attacks that can be brought on by infection with SarsCOV 2. Or simply left at home to succumb to their "mild" infection.

I can't see the whys or how's of this "conspiracy" at all.

frumpety · 27/09/2020 10:59

@TrustTheGeneGenie as I have said , there should be a sequence of events or illness shown in part I of the certificate. So if covid caused the pneumonia that caused the death, it would be I(b), does that make sense ?

If you have a look at the guidance for doctors completing Medical Certificates of Cause of Death, it explains it really clearly.

Bollss · 27/09/2020 11:01

[quote frumpety]@TrustTheGeneGenie as I have said , there should be a sequence of events or illness shown in part I of the certificate. So if covid caused the pneumonia that caused the death, it would be I(b), does that make sense ?

If you have a look at the guidance for doctors completing Medical Certificates of Cause of Death, it explains it really clearly.[/quote]
Yes I understand that. But the government are counting everyone with it mentioned aren't they. Presumably they aren't going to publicise everyone death certificate.

Ophelia2020 · 27/09/2020 11:24

Oh well, if they've got videos it must be true! Is it only covid which has set off The Reset? Why wasn't it done at the time of previous pandemics, or were those just practice runs

Some videos can be flipped off. Some can't. If you know who the WEF are and what they do you wouldn't flip it off. It's not a crazed teenager in his bedroom.

As for practices, there was a virtual one last year. There's been plenty.

www.centerforhealthsecurity.org/event201/scenario.html

frumpety · 27/09/2020 11:33

Number of deaths of people who had had a positive test result for COVID-19 and died within 28 days of the first positive test. The actual cause of death may not be COVID-19 in all cases. People who died from COVID-19 but had not tested positive are not included and people who died from COVID-19 more than 28 days after their first positive test are not included.

@TrustTheGeneGenie I think the above criteria is where we currently are with regards to reporting deaths ?

alreadytaken · 27/09/2020 11:44

" Yes I understand that. But the government are counting everyone with it mentioned aren't they. Presumably they aren't going to publicise everyone death certificate."

No, the government is not counting everyone with it mentioned. They are only counting people where it was the main cause of death and even then deaths in the community wont be counted in the daily figures unless they'd had a positive death in the last 28 days.

The test are not 100% reliable. There is a distinctive pattern on x-rays and doctors say the cough is distinctive to the professional ear. They also record a lot of observations on each patient of things like oxygen levels. If you really think your doctor cant recognise covid by now then you need to avoid all medical treatment ever. Why, if it looks like covid and sounds like covid, are you so keen it should be recorded as something else.

candourclegane · 27/09/2020 11:45

@Orange89

The end game..

Cashless society so more control over our money.
Privatisation of the NHS.
More control over us in general.

The government gain but I think they could just be the pupets in all this.

If the gov are just puppets, who is pulling the strings?
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