Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

[Heytheredelilax]

Sorry for the typos

[notevenat20]

Who knows, we are expecting no mixing and pubs to close by 10pm as a minimum. Will be cross if they go further nationally because the rates are very low here and we are all behaving

The question is how do you stop people from high infection areas visiting places with low infection rates.

[PineappleUpsideDownCake]

I think its a problem when schools are open. Psychologically people dont think its lockdown when they're at the school gates and 30 kids are mixing.

[BehindtheBump]

Wow some of the comments here are disgusting. What selfish, entitled people are coming out of the woodwork.

Restrictions and lockdown are hard but so is turning away dying people from hospitals

I think the large issue is that people on both sides are lacking empathy. Those more concerned with the medically vulnerable are seething at the lack of empathy from those who are not and are suggesting just letting it burn through the populace, while having a total lack of concern themselves for those at the brink of destitution or already living in poverty, for whom an additional lockdown would spell bankruptcy. Lots of those own their own small businesses. What happens in the event of economic disaster? Well, suicide rates shoot up, for a start. Families are made homeless, they start having to choose between heating and eating through the winter, or between feeding themselves or their children... Lots of people on here seem to be living in the 'lockdown is a tad inconvenient because I have to work from home' bubble, without considering those on the breadline.

And I say this as someone who hasn't left the house apart from to go for a walk since March and for whom lockdown was not financially worrisome. Ultimately this isn't just about quality of life vs quantity of life. This is a choice between the clinically vulnerable and the socioeconomically vulnerable. It's not a simple call, and people will always have their personal biases.

[Zet1]

@SantaClaritaDiet

You know what I am sick and tired of?

The entitled selfish childish idiots who think rules don't apply to them and who are the only reason for stricter restrictions, and a possible lockdown.

And the idiots who go on about "kids go to school" so I am free of rules. Where did you ever see that schools are magical bubbles? Nowhere. They are just trying to keep them opened as one of the top priorities.

After idiots start getting shocked with a few heavy fines (Yes, "they" can check what you are doing and fine you for not following rules, European countries have shown how easy that is), we might get somewhere.

I am sick and tired of putting my life on hold because of these selfish idiots.

Yes to all of this!!

[ineedaholidaynow]

Didn’t the NHS take over some of the private sector so those hospitals, staff etc did other services like cancer treatment to non COVID patients

[Badbanana]

I need to concentrate on my kids but I need routine to be able to potty train etc.

Can I ask what you mean? We potty trained autistic ds during lockdown.

(Not being sarcastic by the way, genuinely wondered what about having no routine made it hard for you - aware everyone’s circumstances are different)

[NotAKaren]

@notevenat20 They also need to consider that people will have half term travel plans to visit family or to get away for a week. Also with regards to sport, the resumption of football and other games involving people travelling to different places.

[Bytheloch]

@TheMurk

I don’t think Boris and Matt are in charge any more than Whitty or any of them.

But they are influenced heavily in this (as in any politics) by very rich people with a vested interest (and possibly shares in Perspex and hand gel).

Remember 2019 when we all had viruses, bugs and colds, the majority of us stayed off work/school to recover and we didn’t go to visit granny (without government even telling us not to) because we understood they may not be quite as robust as us younger ones. I miss being able to be a grown up and make choices to keep my family and friends safe.
But then, I’m not trying to be the country that develops the multi-billion pound vaccine for a virus first, so I don’t need to keep the fear factor spreading and my citizens oppressed.

[wanderings]

So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.
So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.
So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.
So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.
So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.
Let's not forget this. Boris thinks we have the memories of goldfish, but we don't. I haven't forgotten Bliar's weapons of mass destruction, which is why I generally don't believe what the government says, ever.

And let's remember that Saint Boris is deliberately making rising positive tests = rising deaths. All part of the scaremongering and deception, which I think are MUCH more dangerous than any virus.

I'm still clinging to the hope the Saint Boris is deliberately scaremongering on "lockdown is coming", probably rubbing his unsterilised hands in glee at the headlines, to make us all docile, terrified, on the edge of our seats, and ready to accept whatever horror he throws at us. I think he knows that if he orders national lockdown again, he and the Tories will be finished, for ever remembered as the party who destroyed the economy.

I think it's wrong that the pisshouses reopened before so many other things.

[lucy2204]

@PineappleUpsideDownCake

Im still wondering if they will think schools are magically safe.

I'm wondering this to! Honestly feel like I'm on the only one at the school gates that don't feel its safe enough for the kids, or teachers tbh

[midgebabe]

And I don't think people's mental health will stand to see tens of thousand more dead, hospitals overflowing and nurses weeping which is where we are headed without any action.

I don't think you can prevent that unless you lock up the vulnerable until vaccine, but to make that work, that's anyone with a covid age of around 50 and a covid age around 50 probably means around 1 in 3 people over 40 .

The government has failed to do the one thing that could have prevented this. Germany have done it, so why haven't we? Test, trace, isolate. Our lockdown last spring means that they have had 6 months, and yet they failed.

[alwayslosing]

@crystalsue I'm so so sorry you are going through this. I pray your surgery goes ahead. We all have the right to proper care. Have you had a private insurance prior to the pandemic? If no maybe they are prioritising people. This is so wrong on so many levels.

[Stellaris22]

It's threads like this that make me cry and the frankly disgusting attitude of some people.

The refusing to wear a mask, social distance and alter your lifestyle by a tiny amount, just because you don't want to.

Restrictions will never be lifted, lockdowns will keep happening, while vile people refuse to follow basic rules for no reason other than pure selfishness. The economy will never recover while people like this exist. Shame on you.

[PollyPelargonium52]

Doesn't anybody watch the news on here? No second lockdown just suggestion of no household mixing and curfew from 10 pm

[Stellaris22]

And for all those people saying lockdowns are going to tank the economy, I don't disagree. But until it sinks in that wearing a mask and social distancing is the only way to prevent this it will keep happening.

Don't complain about lockdowns while refusing to follow these basic rules.

[Lovemusic33]

I don’t think we will be stopped from travelling around locally. I still enjoy walking but I travel to different places to do so before work. I haven’t gone back to the gym because I was worried about another lockdown.

I think we will just be told not to mix households and I think pubs will be closed again (and some other businesses). After watching the news and seeing the amount of people out getting pissed up makes it pretty obvious that pubs and bars need to be closed, especially those in cities and big towns where so many people are congregating.

[Splodgetastic]

I wonder if it will mean masks everywhere. I don’t mind for a quick pop into town or even at work, but a walk in the countryside less so!

[Browneyesbigbum]

Considering the much higher rates in countries where people are still going on holiday without lock down measures then why?
The rates of infection are not high in many parts of the country and a slow rate of infection needs to continue to gradually work through the more healthy people otherwise it is only delaying the infection until winter.... now that's not clever is it.

I'm for local lock down in areas of higher rates of transmission.

Death rate continues to be very low and as long as hospitals are managing. This is not going away so better that the fit and healthy are infected before the very cold part of winter when flu is in full swing as well.

Very clinical vulnerable should be very very careful although most probably are.

Schools must stay open. Education is so important.

[BehindtheBump]

Doesn't anybody watch the news on here?

No, but I do listen to it and I don't think we're going into another lockdown anytime soon. However, 'Should we lockdown again?' is still open for discussion in the hypothetical.

[Chestergirl39]

@Stellaris22

I agree, I can’t understand it either, perhaps fining is the way forward...

[Splodgetastic]

Maybe a super strict lockdown while the developers work on the app?

[Faraway20]

Unless they change the furlough criteria to include workers employed after March I'm screwed anyway. Started a new job in June so I'm not entitled to be furloughed. As long as my work is open I will continue using family for childcare so I can keep my job, especially now my landlord is selling my home and I'll need to meet the earnings criteria for my next house. My whole life is on a knife edge, so sorry if I'm not campaigning for another lockdown that would very likely leave me jobless and homeless.

[RoseAndRose]

@Stellaris22

And for all those people saying lockdowns are going to tank the economy, I don't disagree. But until it sinks in that wearing a mask and social distancing is the only way to prevent this it will keep happening.

Don't complain about lockdowns while refusing to follow these basic rules.

I think this is right.

The countries which have reduced and controlled transmission most (mainly in Asia) have very high levels of mask wearing (pretty much universal, indoors and out) and very high levels of compliance with other regulations.

We have a choice

[ineedaholidaynow]

Maybe we will be given scenarios so if hospital admissions are at a certain level then no mixing of households and a curfew, but if the levels go up to this x amount, then a next set of restrictions will be brought in and so on. And they will explain it carefully and precisely with no bluster and waffle.