Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

@eeeyoresmiles - yes! A close friend had surgery 2 weeks ago. He had to isolate for a week beforehand (couldn’t see his kids as had returned to school). Then had to isolate again after the surgery - the surgeon told him that was the most critical part of the whole procedure.

Great posts eeeyores.

Bluelinings I have a blood clotting condition too, and I have been surprised since the clotting issues are off the scale with this virus, that it hasn't been category of official vulnerability.

Shelter the vulnerable whilst developing herd immunity for the non vulnerable.

Herd immunity will not develop until we (the world) have not just a vaccine but several vaccines - which we (the world) will have, at some point in 2021.

All these ButSweden people saying 'Let it rip' don't seem to be able to take in the fact that Sweden has nowhere near herd immunity. Or that that was the route the sociopathic and inept UK government was planning to go at the very start, while the world looked on, absolutely aghast, until even they came to their senses after being shown further modelling, and the socioeconomic effects of such a heinous plan.

also won't work because 'the vulnerable' aren't a distinct group who can be neatly separated from the rest of society in that way

Most of them are over 65. They're easily sheltered. Care home workers could be paid extra to also semi isolate - i.e. not go to restaurants or see other people. One month on, one month off etc.
If vulnerable people are keyworkers they should have been protected anyway. Id have furloughed everyone vulnerable no matter what job they did. We've denied essential, life saving services anyway, so it's not like key WORK has been prioritised
And we DO know who the vulnerable are.
Everyone who wants to hide away, tor whatever reason - have at it.
Let the rest of us step up and fill the gaps you leave. You'd be surprised (embarrassed?) by how many of us there are.
I really dont see how it would leave us any worse than another lockdown, since the lockdowns didnt protect people in care hones and are causing deaths from lack of support anyway.

PS, as I've said before - the NHS wasn't ever going to be over run. Admissions slowed too early for it to have been the lockdown that caused them. The Nightingales weren't used.
Despite the high number if cases currently, we have enough hospitals for more than one hospital per covid patient.

And no I can’t just hide myself away because my children have to go to school. And they have the same condition

Keep them in and home educate them then.
Just don't try and stop others who aren't vulnerable from going to school.

Oh, and I think the furlough should all be voluntary by the way.
Plenty of vulnerable key-workers actually think the noble thing to do is to do thier duty no matter what.
Not everyone buys into this staying-at-home-is-the-honourable-thing bullshit.

I think, seeing how dreadfully conformist this nation is, had this country glorified cracking on as the noble thing to do (it is) then most would have followed out of fear of being seen as craven.
Instead, we glorified fear. And boy did that suit a whole bunch of people! Lapped it right up.

I can cope with most things being shut down but not schools and not being banned from
Meeting one other household.

Like someone said, if there were IQ tests taken tomorrow, there would be far more confirmed idiots than there were in March.

We don't need tests to confirm that the idiot quotient has greatly increased. We have this thread.

Everyone who wants to hide away, tor whatever reason - have at it.
Let the rest of us step up and fill the gaps you leave. You'd be surprised (embarrassed?) by how many of us there are.

Be still my heart! The sheer nobility...

@Tolleshunt

No trick or treating, no fireworks, no Christmas parties, will we even be able to see family at Christmas?

I guess thats one plus. No little shits knocking my door after free stuff.

halle fucking lujah

What a kind thought, DawnLassie. We can all sleep soundly tonight feeling heartened that you are pleased that little kids have been denied this small once a year pleasure.

Stop being melodramatic.

There’s a televised briefing at 11am today.

@cbt944

Shelter the vulnerable whilst developing herd immunity for the non vulnerable.

Herd immunity will not develop until we (the world) have not just a vaccine but several vaccines - which we (the world) will have, at some point in 2021.

All these ButSweden people saying 'Let it rip' don't seem to be able to take in the fact that Sweden has nowhere near herd immunity. Or that that was the route the sociopathic and inept UK government was planning to go at the very start, while the world looked on, absolutely aghast, until even they came to their senses after being shown further modelling, and the socioeconomic effects of such a heinous plan.

Your last sentence is just brilliant and describes the current government to a tee, sociopathic and inept, must use this in daily life....

Furries
My protocol for major surgery is 3 days before and 7 days after. - unless vulnerable, which is 14 days prior. This is beside a city, which never came out of lockdown. Our family have only done the 3 because despite not having good health, I think I’ve had coronavirus already and for dd - despite not having detectable antibodies in the test I took. Dd is Home schooling now. I hope I’ve made the right decision.... and I hope the op goes ahead now.

Wow. Hopefully this is just one of thiae threads where it looks really unhinged but actually most people don't think that way, not really.

Because someone upthread just suggested locking up careworkers in nursing homes. Ya know, the vast majority of people in every profession have families to care for after their shift is done. Increased pay or not.

Teachers, nurses, paramedics... I don't think anyone else is going to 'step into' their skilled jobs that took years of education and training.

@Juniperandrage and this is what makes me angry: people being denied their treatment.
The scenario of being denied the cancer treatment you require because of Fear of catching Covid 19 is absolutely vial. You've worked all your life and paid into the system only for them to deny you the right to care when you need it.

People should have been asked and given the choice to receive or not the life saving treatment. We are being taken the basic freedoms away and God help us to not get sick.

I wonder what happens to the rich who have private health insurance...have they been denied care as well? I don't have the answer to that but please if you have knowledge of this please let me know.

I just hope those who have been so vile about NHS staff and think they are all magically instantly replaceable (despite the well publicised shortages every year...) do all their own DIY medical treatment.

Especially if they catch Covid and happen to be one of the unlucky ones.

I also don’t want a lockdown, but to sneer at the awful winter many NHS staff are about to drag us and themselves through is appalling.

It’s not just COVID coming is it? The time of year is coming where our hospitals start to buckle under the strain anyway, forget what happened in the spring/summer. What happens when we lump COVID in on top do you think?

After reading some of these comments, no wonder we are heading for a second lockdown.

Thanks a lot

@Redolent. I hear you. I’m not nhs but I totally get you. Why should you guys go through what you’re going through so people can flout the rules and do what they want!

You know what I am sick and tired of?

The entitled selfish childish idiots who think rules don't apply to them and who are the only reason for stricter restrictions, and a possible lockdown.

And the idiots who go on about "kids go to school" so I am free of rules. Where did you ever see that schools are magical bubbles? Nowhere. They are just trying to keep them opened as one of the top priorities.

After idiots start getting shocked with a few heavy fines (Yes, "they" can check what you are doing and fine you for not following rules, European countries have shown how easy that is), we might get somewhere.

I am sick and tired of putting my life on hold because of these selfish idiots.

@alwayslosing
*I wonder what happens to the rich who have private health insurance...have they been denied care as well? I don't have the answer to that but please if you have knowledge of this please let me know."

I've needed eye surgery since April. Throughout the summer I desperately tried to get it done privately but couldn't. I am stuck with a condition that is putting my eyesight at risk and I am scared. I eventually secured surgery for late October but I would be amazed if that goes ahead now.

I really think we are screwed whatever approach we take, I can see both sides to this argument. It is so, SO wrong that people are being denied cancer diagnosis/treatment while pubs are open. All of this does feel like a massive overreaction to something that by itself has such a low mortality rate. But if we let it run rampant then we are still fucked anyway because the healthcare system will collapse. So perhaps it isn't an overreaction after all. It's so depressing and I just don't think there is an answer. I don't know where I stand.

I do feel angry that 80% of people on my social media blatantly have no regard for social distancing - and they're just the ones who post the pictures. I think the key is to just be sensible, which evidently most people are not...

Who knows, we are expecting no mixing and pubs to close by 10pm as a minimum. Will be cross if they go further nationally because the rates are very low here and we are all behaving

There will be no lock down - did people really only just have one walk a day?! Surely common sense tells you if you are outside with no one ride around you you couid have gone on more walks!

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd

Spare the guilt trips, Redolent. They don't work on people anymore. Nor do the attempts to shame people. And remember not everyone is in the UK and using the bloody NHS. And if people don't want to work for the NHS anymore, no one is forcing them to stay. 'Oh, but then who will do the job!' Why do people always think they are irreplaceable?

ICU doctors and nurses are irreplaceable. Have you read the NHS thread on here? Grow up.

I doubt a lockdown would work if schools stay open. Also, two weeks, as I've heard suggested, seems a bit pointless. I honestly don't know what the solution is, but this god damn thing isn't going away any time soon!

It’s much more likely they will ban anyone from going to someone else’s house, impose a curfew and maybe stop us travelling between regions.

So much for Boris saying turn in around and send it packing in 12 weeks.

Send all the kids back right at the start of autumn and then start all this up again.

People are so quick to blame eachother too. I currently know of 2 people who have it. Ones a family member who's a doctor. Another is a bloke around the corner. That's it.

Zoos and things had to reopen otherwise they were going to go under. Literally lost millions. So what is best? Do we let everything go to shit or do we risk this virus? Not that we get to decide. We have to do as we are told.

I don't think people can take much more of this restrictive life.

My son is two. He's missed out on being a two year old. He's not has the experience his sister had. He's not been to playgroup. He's not been to the beach this year. He's not played with other children at softplay. He's not been to see animals. He's not seem his grandparents. He's not seem his cousins. He's been basically at home and out walking with me.

My five year old has missed most of her first year at school. She's now isolating with a cold. So she's missed two weeks of year one.

Had enough. I need to get my life back. I've got anxiety and I've lost my confidence. I am lonely. I need to concentrate on my kids but I need routine to be able to potty train etc.

Literally fed up of this crap. I don't think people's mental health will survive this.