Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

[Friendsoftheearth]

I would happily argue my point with links etc all night, but really what is the point though on such a horrible anti British thread, you hate everything here - it is all rubbish - so move to Germany is my advice!

I am going save my breath for something more rewarding. So I am out! But I can see the facts even if you can't, and have attached so you can update your world view.

But don't let the hard concrete evidence stand in your way.

According to data collected by the European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) - an EU agency - the UK has conducted more tests than any other European country.

Between 9 March and 6 September, its data shows:

The UK did more than 16.4m tests
Germany did 13.3m tests
Italy did 8.8m tests
France did 8.3m tests


www.bbc.co.uk/news/54181291

[RedToothBrush]

German labs have been processing some uk tests...

[Tolleshunt]

We aren't Germany. We don't have the labs they do.

Because our government funds our health service at a much lower level compared to Germany. They spend 2% more of their GDP on health every year than we do. That’s billions extra year on year, so decent, fit for purpose services - including labs - are available.

When you have governments happy to run a health service where you wait a fortnight for a GP appointment in the good times, and the results of a bog standard blood test can take five days to come back, you’re always going to have a major problem when a pandemic hits.

[loobyloo1234]

but the people there are complaining about the lack of tests.

I have family in Germany and haven't heard this from a single person. They have localised testing - and can go to the GP for these. Can you link me to where this is a thing as I would be interested to see?

[Friendsoftheearth]

UK is testing roughly double the number of Germany, that is a fact. So yes their T&T might be going well, but the people there are complaining about the lack of tests.

Every country in the world is under pressure with more or less the same issues. It is what it is.

[southparkroses]

We aren't Germany. We don't have the labs they do.

Everyone thinks it's easy to make difficult decisions. It's tiring

[loobyloo1234]

Has anyone read about how Germany are dealing with this very successfully. We should be looking at their methods and replicating them.

Localised track and trace. From the start. And yes, if we had followed them at the very beginning like we should have, then we wouldnt now be in this mess

[herecomesthsun]

@Hunstanton

Has anyone read about how Germany are dealing with this very successfully. We should be looking at their methods and replicating them.

yes and yes. Can't we get someone German who knows what they're doing instead of the useless Tory cronies like Dido

[Jux]

@Imissmoominmama

Some of the comments and attitudes on here depress me far more than the thought of a winter lockdown.

Yes

[ChodeOfChodeBall]

@tootyfruitypickle

wonder if a 3 month lockdown and then a lift for Christmas might If they brought in on Wed, the timing would work admirably . With a message that we’ve done it before, and ‘let’s get Christmas back..

That's just all politicking. Nothing to do with real lives. I don't give a shiny shit about Christmas, but I do give a million shiny shits about the fact that I'm unable to work thanks to the government's policies.

[FelicisNox]

It's no skin off my nose but I feel for those at the end of their tether facing another 6 months of this.

[Imissmoominmama]

Some of the comments and attitudes on here depress me far more than the thought of a winter lockdown.

[Bearlover16]

If the government sat back and did absolutely nothing, people would moan. How can they win?

Opening things up then slowing them down like a tap enables the virus to spread at a manageable rate so the NHS can cope. This was inevitable.
Untill herd immunity has been achieved it will be like this, I just wish people would stop bloody moaning about it.
Schools are remaining open and people are encouraged to work from home, if people abide by the rules they may relax them earlier if the numbers drop.

Dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

[Hunstanton]

Has anyone read about how Germany are dealing with this very successfully. We should be looking at their methods and replicating them.

[shinynewapple2020]

@annabel85

National lockdown is not fair. The areas that are behaving should not be punished due to the feckless areas that aren't.

The areas you describe as 'feckless' tend to be areas which are urban , where the population lives in crowded or overcrowding housing , where there is poverty so harder for people to distance within their own homes as rooms are smaller and there are often large families or inter generational families living there . People are also more likely to work in places where it is harder for people to distance eg food production , factory or distribution centre work .

[iamtheoneandonlyyy]

@AntiHop

Nobody is looking forward to a winter without socialising.

For those dreading it, try and focus on some small things that can cheer you up. I'm going to subscribe to the Disney channel and order weekly take away.

Then remember that, despite all this, we are some of the luckiest people in the world. All over the world, right now, there are people living though abject poverty and war. Let's count our blessings.

You suggest I cut down my takeaways??

[ilovesooty]

@ineedaholidaynow

I thought people can have someone see them in their own home if they are vulnerable.

And if you live alone you can form a support bubble with another household.

[colouringindoors]

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/21/left-no-one-uk-mental-health-deteriorated-covid

[wanderings]

@tootyfruitypickle I think you're right that this government just couldn't spin it convincingly. Tony Blair might have managed it, because he was a master of spin, presentation and persuading people, before he got the God complex; but as for poor old bumbling Boris...

[WokesFromHome]

I watched the briefing today and anticipated something drastic at the end, but nothing. I know its not their place, but I was left wondering,

and.......so what am I supposed to do now then?

I guess tomorrow Boris will give us another non restriction and we'll all crack on as normal.

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

@tootyfruitypickle

No I don’t think people would do it. I think a govt could spin it if they had more trust but this shower have pretty much lost all confidence so we will just carry on limping from one crisis to the next .

And they're about to lose more. They have about 3 weeks to cobble something together or it's no deal on 31 December, and so far they are on a hiding to FA. If you think covid is a huge threat to 'essential services', wait till you see what happens to countries with no trade deals bar WTO terms and who can't afford to service their humongous debt due to their currency flushed down the toilet. It is not a pretty sight, I can tell you.

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@ineedaholidaynow yes i think for care purposes and obviously as rules stand now we can visit with precautions , i was talking more if we have another national lockdown as we live couple hrs away and only one person can go for care purposes etc
My nan wants to see all of us as we never know when could be the last time [/quote]
Exactly. People are forgetting that 'the elderly' are still sentient adults who might consider seeing their family more important.

[tootyfruitypickle]

If it was on the cards the scientists wouldn't have had to go it alone in a desperate plea. We’ve got something weak and ineffectual coming. It’ll be barely anything I reckon. Early pub closing .

[tootyfruitypickle]

No I don’t think people would do it. I think a govt could spin it if they had more trust but this shower have pretty much lost all confidence so we will just carry on limping from one crisis to the next .

[Jourdain11]

@tootyfruitypickle

wonder if a 3 month lockdown and then a lift for Christmas might If they brought in on Wed, the timing would work admirably . With a message that we’ve done it before, and ‘let’s get Christmas back..

Done it before when it was nice and warm and sunny - which makes a big difference! I don't think most people are going to be up for it, I'm sorry.