Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

[ineedaholidaynow]

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd I was taking about the 1970s, definitely different to the 1990s

[SockYarn]

[quote iskwobel]@SockYarn it really depends on where you lived in 1995 ... yes you could visit your parents but you still can unless you're under local lockdown at the moment? [/quote]
We are in Glasgow so yes. No going to other people's houses. At all.

Although meeting my parents in the pub is perfectly fine.

[MJMG2015]

@Treebore

also won't work because 'the vulnerable' aren't a distinct group who can be neatly separated from the rest of society in that way

Most of them are over 65. They're easily sheltered. Care home workers could be paid extra to also semi isolate - i.e. not go to restaurants or see other people. One month on, one month off etc.
If vulnerable people are keyworkers they should have been protected anyway. Id have furloughed everyone vulnerable no matter what job they did. We've denied essential, life saving services anyway, so it's not like key WORK has been prioritised
And we DO know who the vulnerable are.
Everyone who wants to hide away, tor whatever reason - have at it.
Let the rest of us step up and fill the gaps you leave. You'd be surprised (embarrassed?) by how many of us there are.
I really dont see how it would leave us any worse than another lockdown, since the lockdowns didnt protect people in care hones and are causing deaths from lack of support anyway.

PS, as I've said before - the NHS wasn't ever going to be over run. Admissions slowed too early for it to have been the lockdown that caused them. The Nightingales weren't used.
Despite the high number if cases currently, we have enough hospitals for more than one hospital per covid patient.

Honestly. Try educating yourself before spouting such nonsense.

A HUGE percentage of under 65's have things they consider make people vulnerable to Covid.

We cannot shield all of the diabetic people, let alone those with high blood pressure as well.

I had an illness, I'm now diabetic from that - why would I be remotely embarrassed to protect myself from Covid?

[iskwobel]

It's not great to have to wear masks and sanitise but it's doable. @Notfeelinggreattoday
It's a shame we can't socialise as we would like to ... but pubs, meals out and holidays are luxuries really not entitlements and not a reason to lock up half of society. Are we really so lacking as a nation that we can't get through this together, caring for our weakest members as well as our stronger ones?

For everyone who says the 90s were great they must have very selective memories or have lived in a wealthy part of the UK.
Derry Girls is set in 1996.

[Inkpaperstars]

This is a choice between the clinically vulnerable and the socioeconomically vulnerable. It's not a simple call, and people will always have their personal biases.

It's not clear that the choice is that stark at all. The economy will be hugely damaged by growth of the virus directly....not just through measures taken to prevent the virus. Many experts have been saying throughout this that the best way to help the economy is to control the virus, unfortunately I guess I guess swift and decisive action to control is best in that sense and we haven't had that.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@iskwobel for me the 90's were great , but we aren't talking just not being able to go for meals a strict lockdown was not seeing family or friends , or being with loved ones in their final moments . Your posts are confusing

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@iskwobel i can't see how you can compare with the 90's and life now
Even the 60's or even the war , people had each other and for most thats what is tough
I love going for a meal or on holiday but if i had to not do that for a year i could cope
What i struggle with is was when i can't see my 87 year old nan who has been diagnosed with heart failure and we don't know how long she has left , not seeing my family for months and i think that is what most people find the hardest part of strict lockdowns

[BoJoTookMyMojo]

iskwobel It's a shame we can't socialise as we would like to ... but pubs, meals out and holidays are luxuries really not entitlements and not a reason to lock up half of society.

But it's ok to lock up those who happen to live alone (a third of the adult population), or who already face the heartbreak of not having their own family? And deny them a chance to meet anyone, or to have any social contact? As is happening in local lockdowns.

Are we really so lacking as a nation that we can't get through this together, caring for our weakest members as well as our stronger ones?
I am weakest now. I don't think I am going to live until the end of the week. My life has been destroyed beyond what I can cope with by these stupid lockdowns. I can't ask for help because I'm not allowed to see anyone. So no, people don't care unless it's covid.

[iskwobel]

@Notfeelinggreattoday I'm sorry about your nan, that's so rubbish. It's just like the war really- people were conscripted and sent away from their families to die.
Lots of the earlier posters were happy to lock vulnerable people like your nan away so they could go to the pub.
I disagree with that. It's not too much to ask that we sacrifice pubs and eating out etc so we can go back to meeting family.

[ineedaholidaynow]

I thought people can have someone see them in their own home if they are vulnerable.

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@iskwobel ok i get you mean shut pubs restuarants etc so we could see family etc more , that i get and agree with
But then they tell us that indoor and families seem to be transmission ? Although not sure in data for this
Yes i would gladly sacrifice a holiday , pub etc etc if it meant people could have friends and family close

[Notfeelinggreattoday]

@ineedaholidaynow yes i think for care purposes and obviously as rules stand now we can visit with precautions , i was talking more if we have another national lockdown as we live couple hrs away and only one person can go for care purposes etc
My nan wants to see all of us as we never know when could be the last time

[tootyfruitypickle]

wonder if a 3 month lockdown and then a lift for Christmas might If they brought in on Wed, the timing would work admirably . With a message that we’ve done it before, and ‘let’s get Christmas back..

[HeIenaDove]

If they do that i will not spend on Christmas AT ALL

[tootyfruitypickle]

They won’t. That would be far too effective .

[Jourdain11]

@tootyfruitypickle

wonder if a 3 month lockdown and then a lift for Christmas might If they brought in on Wed, the timing would work admirably . With a message that we’ve done it before, and ‘let’s get Christmas back..

Done it before when it was nice and warm and sunny - which makes a big difference! I don't think most people are going to be up for it, I'm sorry.

[tootyfruitypickle]

No I don’t think people would do it. I think a govt could spin it if they had more trust but this shower have pretty much lost all confidence so we will just carry on limping from one crisis to the next .

[tootyfruitypickle]

If it was on the cards the scientists wouldn't have had to go it alone in a desperate plea. We’ve got something weak and ineffectual coming. It’ll be barely anything I reckon. Early pub closing .

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

[quote Notfeelinggreattoday]@ineedaholidaynow yes i think for care purposes and obviously as rules stand now we can visit with precautions , i was talking more if we have another national lockdown as we live couple hrs away and only one person can go for care purposes etc
My nan wants to see all of us as we never know when could be the last time [/quote]
Exactly. People are forgetting that 'the elderly' are still sentient adults who might consider seeing their family more important.

[Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd]

@tootyfruitypickle

No I don’t think people would do it. I think a govt could spin it if they had more trust but this shower have pretty much lost all confidence so we will just carry on limping from one crisis to the next .

And they're about to lose more. They have about 3 weeks to cobble something together or it's no deal on 31 December, and so far they are on a hiding to FA. If you think covid is a huge threat to 'essential services', wait till you see what happens to countries with no trade deals bar WTO terms and who can't afford to service their humongous debt due to their currency flushed down the toilet. It is not a pretty sight, I can tell you.

[WokesFromHome]

I watched the briefing today and anticipated something drastic at the end, but nothing. I know its not their place, but I was left wondering,

and.......so what am I supposed to do now then?

I guess tomorrow Boris will give us another non restriction and we'll all crack on as normal.

[wanderings]

@tootyfruitypickle I think you're right that this government just couldn't spin it convincingly. Tony Blair might have managed it, because he was a master of spin, presentation and persuading people, before he got the God complex; but as for poor old bumbling Boris...

[colouringindoors]

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/sep/21/left-no-one-uk-mental-health-deteriorated-covid

[ilovesooty]

@ineedaholidaynow

I thought people can have someone see them in their own home if they are vulnerable.

And if you live alone you can form a support bubble with another household.

[iamtheoneandonlyyy]

@AntiHop

Nobody is looking forward to a winter without socialising.

For those dreading it, try and focus on some small things that can cheer you up. I'm going to subscribe to the Disney channel and order weekly take away.

Then remember that, despite all this, we are some of the luckiest people in the world. All over the world, right now, there are people living though abject poverty and war. Let's count our blessings.

You suggest I cut down my takeaways??