Oh god. Back to having a walk then???

[ssd]

As the highlight of the day.

AKA another lockdown looms....

[EveryPlanetHasAYorkshire]

@Marilla27

I am staying in my house. You lot can do what you want. Will the second from last person please tell me when I am the only one left so I can turn off the lights.

Sure.

[Livelovebehappy]

And why can’t people see that obviously infections might be double and increasing faster than March, simply because there was no testing in March. Has there been testing, infections would probably have been far more. Like someone said, if there were IQ tests taken tomorrow, there would be far more confirmed idiots than there were in March. Just fed up of the media stating infections have massively increased, when it’s obviously fake news.

[AntiHop]

Nobody is looking forward to a winter without socialising.

For those dreading it, try and focus on some small things that can cheer you up. I'm going to subscribe to the Disney channel and order weekly take away.

Then remember that, despite all this, we are some of the luckiest people in the world. All over the world, right now, there are people living though abject poverty and war. Let's count our blessings.

[CokeyCola]

And if people don't want to work for the NHS anymore, no one is forcing them to stay. 'Oh, but then who will do the job!' Why do people always think they are irreplaceable?

What a vile, ungrateful attitude. Doesn't sound like you have the brains to contribute much to the pandemic but let's hope not too many immunologists resign.

[DianaT1969]

Or a run.
Or a cycle ride.

[ineedaholidaynow]

But hospital admissions are creeping up so infection rates are rising compared to a few weeks ago. Yes the infection rates can’t be compared to March but if hospital admissions are going up then that needs to be monitored

[Inkpaperstars]

Life you'll spend in limbo, trying to give 85 year olds who are close to death and extra couple of non quality extra months

That's a really inaccurate simplification, don't kid yourself it's anything close to reality. You're entitled to disagree with lockdown but don't do it on the basis of oversimplifying the facts.

www.theactuary.com/features/2020/05/07/co-morbidity-question

Also, if we see exponential growth to natural peak....how much of our normal lives will we be living through that? I genuinely don't know, but I suspect a great deal less than some think. How many of the younger, healthier people will die or be disabled not through covid but through the consequences of uncontrolled infection rates on healthcare, utilities, security, the economy etc. Again, don't know but likely more than some think.

I agree the govt will fuck this up and take the wrong measures, I have given up hoping otherwise. But doing nothing will not mean you get your life back, not while Covid is out there and so many people are susceptible. Including possibly those who have already had it, which is beyond disturbing,

[Treebore]

That's a really inaccurate simplification, don't kid yourself it's anything close to reality
Your article is from May( before they knocked off 4000+ death total due to their insane counting method) - I'll pull out the NHS figures of deaths without co-morbidities tomorrow when I'm not in bed.

Also, that article speaks a lot about obese diabetic smokers.
Im starting to really resent having to give up pretty much every pleasure in life to protect those who seemingly haven't done anything to protect their OWN health throughout their lives...

[BashfulClam]

Well it’s good that I bought a 24 pack of bog rolls then!

[Treebore]

Including possibly those who have already had it, which is beyond disturbing

And, if this is the case (it isn't - the tests are well dodgy and if reinfection has happened it's only happened to an absolutely minute fraction) then a vaccine won't work either.
So what would be the point in lockdown then!?

[notangelinajolie]

After the past 6 months I can't get worked up about 2 weeks of lockdown. It would be quite nice to go back to peace and quiet again.

[Pachonga]

I live in an area that was extremely hard hit in March/April and we’ve opened up slowly and safely and the current numbers reflect that. They are edging up a bit but it was expected with the reopening and it is being managed. In the UK it appears to be spiralling.

The number of people on this thread who seem willing to throw older and people with pre-existing conditions under the bus so they can go to Nando’s or whatever is upsetting but entirely predictable.

[Bluelinings]

I live in a rural area with a walking trail. We avoided it during March and April because it was so busy but it slowly became OK to walk round again. This weekend it was mega busy so we went off the beaten track where we could. I wonder if people are already changing their behaviours to ones they deem to be safer

[jessstan2]

Yes but it has only been seven months, hardly a lifetime and I doubt we'll have another seven months of the same; more like four weeks.

I'm quite looking forward to going for a walk.

[Bluelinings]

@Pachonga

I live in an area that was extremely hard hit in March/April and we’ve opened up slowly and safely and the current numbers reflect that. They are edging up a bit but it was expected with the reopening and it is being managed. In the UK it appears to be spiralling.

The number of people on this thread who seem willing to throw older and people with pre-existing conditions under the bus so they can go to Nando’s or whatever is upsetting but entirely predictable.

It really depresses me to see people have so little empathy.

[Bluelinings]

@Treebore

Including possibly those who have already had it, which is beyond disturbing

And, if this is the case (it isn't - the tests are well dodgy and if reinfection has happened it's only happened to an absolutely minute fraction) then a vaccine won't work either.
So what would be the point in lockdown then!?

A vaccine could still work. We might just need it regularly like the flu jab.

[ilovesooty]

@notangelinajolie I'm inclined to agree . We're under increased restrictions here anyway and have been for a while.

[eeeyoresmiles]

We could have had no lockdown at all and lots of surgery would still have been cancelled, because as someone said in another thread today, surgery combined with covid infection is much more dangerous than normal. On top of that, hospitals full of covid patients just won't have the space or staff to carry on as normal with all non-covid treatments.

Anyone who thinks that by not bothering to follow restrictions they'll be helping cancer patients to get the treatment they need - dream on! We need lower infection rates for normal medical treatment to happen, not the high levels we'll get if we stop collectively trying to prevent covid spreading.

[Inkpaperstars]

As I understand it, not having lasting immunity following natural infection doesn't rule out any vaccine. I hope that reinfection isn't a thing, I think I have had it and if I believed I had immunity lasting even a year or two I would be so relieved.

I know the article is out of date, but there is no way the reality is as simple as 85 year olds who have 8 poor quality weeks to live. I also think deaths with comorbidities encompasses a very wide range of situations so not sure how helpful those nhs figures would be.

[Treebore]

Shelter the vulnerable whilst developing herd immunity for the non vulnerable.
If you're not vulnerable and still want to hide away, I think you're a selfish coward but would still support you staying in also.
Let the rest of us get out there and take the risks for you whilst you lock yourselves down. We'll bring you the food and whatever else you need to make your lockdown life happen.

Why anyone who is genuinely vulnerable or just plain ol' craven can't see that this is the best solution to suit us all, to cannot fathom, and have never been able to.

Perhaps a vulnerable or craven person could tell me?

[Furries]

@Redolent - I’m really sorry that you’re possibly having to face going through this again. I honestly can’t imagine what it feels like. Please ignore some of the crap posted on here, you’re not a politician setting these guidelines, you’re just trying to do your job.

@Batshitbeautycosmeticsltd - your posts are pretty gross really. No matter how much we may all disagree with some of the decisions made over the last 6 months, you come across as being devoid of any feeling whatsoever (apart from yourself!).

These are truly crap times. Everything is so uncertain. But am trying to stay hopeful that things will improve next year.

[Inkpaperstars]

Many vulnerable people are key workers, it wouldn't be so easy getting on with things without them. Many more have young children, or family members dependent upon their care. Many people who wouldn't be classed as vulnerable will get significantly ill, the consequences of that on disruption to education, healthcare, the economy etc could be very severe even with many sheltering.

There's just so many reasons why sheltering the vulnerable doesn't solve the problem. You probably won't agree Treebore which is fine. Whatever the case may be though, I just don't think it will ever be a strategy that will be tried so I wouldn't exhaust yourself stressing over how craven everyone is.

I have a friend who is a super fit medic around 30, he got incredibly ill with this virus. He and his colleagues might decide not to keep turning up to work if the rest of the country just threw up their hands and said, let the virus spread, and I wouldn't blame them.

[Bluelinings]

Consider this. There are many people with underlying conditions that aren’t on the shielding list. They are offered no protection.

They’re told that despite being at risks of blood clots, they’re fine because this is a respiratory virus (even though it causes blood clots).

So no help. But if I die I’ll be classed as one of those deaths that didn’t matter because I had underlying conditions.

My condition can’t be the only one putting people in this predicament.

Nice society we have here.

[eeeyoresmiles]

It won't work because the route to that 'herd immunity', if it's even possible to achieve that via illness rather than vaccination, is likely to cause impossible overloading of healthcare and hospitals and other parts of society that won't be able to cope with high levels of illness. Yes, even with hospitalisations being a low percentage of overall cases. Widespread illness will be an economic disaster too. It also won't work because 'the vulnerable' aren't a distinct group who can be neatly separated from the rest of society in that way.

[Bluelinings]

And no I can’t just hide myself away because my children have to go to school. And they have the same condition