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Second wave coming

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humidifierx · 18/09/2020 18:03

Yay.

Second wave coming
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baytreetavern · 21/09/2020 08:28

@AlecTrevelyan006

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Stinkyguineapig · 21/09/2020 08:29

Guess what I'm saying is, if you had it bad last time, please don't assume that you are now immune.

I thought I read (but stand to be corrected) that of those who had been reinforced or had it twice it was less severe or asymptomatic the 2nd time.....but it stands to reason as it can be asymptomatic, more people might have had it twice without noticing.... ?

Stinkyguineapig · 21/09/2020 08:29

Reinforced = reinfected

Devlesko · 21/09/2020 16:21

I'm wondering if the deaths will equal those of flu, they haven't yet.
Lot of fuss over a bad cold, and yes people die of all sorts of things.

Devlesko · 21/09/2020 16:25

I can honestly see businesses like mine being closed for an extended period due to the lack of social distancing while the hospitality industry will only have curfews placed on them.

My work has completely gone, so has 70% of my dh, we rely on the hospitality industry for our business. It's not only pubs that offer hospitality you know. You have been able to work, some people still can't work.
Very narrow minded of you to presume otherwise.

baytreetavern · 21/09/2020 17:01

@Devlesko

I'm wondering if the deaths will equal those of flu, they haven't yet. Lot of fuss over a bad cold, and yes people die of all sorts of things.
Yes but these are EXTRA deaths.
Devlesko · 21/09/2020 17:08

No they aren't. Look at how many die from flu then corona. I promise you this is not extra, lol.

baytreetavern · 21/09/2020 17:13

I was saying, 'lol', that people are dying from flu, and now people are also dying from coronavirus. I promise. Hmm

Just because more people have died from flu in previous years doesn't mean coronavirus doesn't matter.

Also, we have never had coronavirus during winter months so we don't actually know that flu is worse.

sazzle75 · 21/09/2020 19:07

On a 'good' flu year in England we would see 5 - 7000 deaths from influenza, on a 'bad' year around 27,000 deaths, predominantly older/vulnerable people, similar to covid-19.
We will still get flu deaths this year, as well as the covid deaths.
Plus the deaths resulting 'from' covid-19's presence, for example people with cancer/other diseases that can't access treatment as effectively before, it's all death isn't it?
And if that's a family member, well dead is terminal whatever the diagnosis, then there's those of us that have been left with health problems from having covid, such as lung and heart damage.
And of course if the covid numbers get too out of control over winter and very much during flu/respiratory virus season, then the extra preventable deaths from covid, if there are not enough hospital beds, staff, ventilators oxygen etc, people will die when they could have been saved, can you imagine running out of oxygen mid winter? Or maybe there being no skilled technicians to run the ventilators/ecmo ect? THIS is why we have to keep the numbers within safe limits, the stories from around the world of family members fighting over oxygen cylinders are shocking and tragic. Were very lucky we can have so many covid deniers or sceptics that think the flu is worse, it's shows just how for granted people can afford to take their healthcare here.
The whataboutery from some people regarding deaths is crazy. As baytreetavern says, we've not seen covid-19 in winter yet. It won't be pretty, and as someone who's worked in the nhs in critical care for many years, my heart feels so much for the staff. I know how they feel about the people who don't wear masks, or socially distance, and those that think it's all overplayed.
Plenty of people could do with spending a week in intensive care to help out, I guarantee they would be humbled and shocked into realisation of reality within an hour.

baytreetavern · 21/09/2020 19:18

@sazzle75

On a 'good' flu year in England we would see 5 - 7000 deaths from influenza, on a 'bad' year around 27,000 deaths, predominantly older/vulnerable people, similar to covid-19. We will still get flu deaths this year, as well as the covid deaths. Plus the deaths resulting 'from' covid-19's presence, for example people with cancer/other diseases that can't access treatment as effectively before, it's all death isn't it? And if that's a family member, well dead is terminal whatever the diagnosis, then there's those of us that have been left with health problems from having covid, such as lung and heart damage. And of course if the covid numbers get too out of control over winter and very much during flu/respiratory virus season, then the extra preventable deaths from covid, if there are not enough hospital beds, staff, ventilators oxygen etc, people will die when they could have been saved, can you imagine running out of oxygen mid winter? Or maybe there being no skilled technicians to run the ventilators/ecmo ect? THIS is why we have to keep the numbers within safe limits, the stories from around the world of family members fighting over oxygen cylinders are shocking and tragic. Were very lucky we can have so many covid deniers or sceptics that think the flu is worse, it's shows just how for granted people can afford to take their healthcare here. The whataboutery from some people regarding deaths is crazy. As baytreetavern says, we've not seen covid-19 in winter yet. It won't be pretty, and as someone who's worked in the nhs in critical care for many years, my heart feels so much for the staff. I know how they feel about the people who don't wear masks, or socially distance, and those that think it's all overplayed. Plenty of people could do with spending a week in intensive care to help out, I guarantee they would be humbled and shocked into realisation of reality within an hour.
Well said. Exactly how I feel but you've managed to put it into words
sazzle75 · 21/09/2020 19:34

I've not said a word online for three years, bless you all here on Mumsnet for having some open, sensible conversations, it's helpful in such confused times and I appreciate seeing it greatly. ♥️

Gabbianni · 21/09/2020 20:36

Try living near Bournemouth. Our wonderful government opened up travel in England before the council opened any facilities - the resulting mess made national news - not sure about playing catch up - that's way too kind it's perhaps more like chasing their tails.

sazzle75 · 21/09/2020 21:14

@Gabbianni

Try living near Bournemouth. Our wonderful government opened up travel in England before the council opened any facilities - the resulting mess made national news - not sure about playing catch up - that's way too kind it's perhaps more like chasing their tails.
Feel for you, I'm in the SE too, don't get me started on 'Government'. I participated in Epidemiology/Pandemic training for years, I will never forget what I've seen during the last few months for the rest of my time on this earth, shocking, woeful, full of disinformation, lies and false promises. No wonder the public are so divided really, we've all been let down hugely, and very poorly educated and prepared, we once had some of the best pandemic training guidelines in the world. Ultimately the pandemic itself is our true issue, and whilst I won't blame governments for that at least, still things could have been handled in a much less damaging much calmer sensible way to protect our vulnerable community and also our economy. It could always be worse of course, but it could be much better in helping us deal with this crisis together.
Gabbianni · 22/09/2020 08:42

I couldn't agree more. We had better warning than many countries (COVID arrived sooner on their doorstep). We have some of the best healthcare in the world provided by some of the most dedicated people (I've spent 15 years living overseas) and the WHO has been warning everyone that the planet is ripe for a pandemic - and we've had bungle after bungle - it makes my blood boil that many are making huge sacrifices and those in power seem to cherry-pick when they adhere to the rules and not - meanwhile, our elderly and vulnerable and those who care for them were left to 'make do and mend'.

Derbygerbil · 22/09/2020 09:00

@Devlesko

I'm wondering if the deaths will equal those of flu, they haven't yet.

Where are on are you getting your figures from to claim this nonsense?! Confused

Gabbianni · 22/09/2020 09:55

Because I ended up in hospital in Vietnam!

sazzle75 · 22/09/2020 10:01

@Gabbianni

I couldn't agree more. We had better warning than many countries (COVID arrived sooner on their doorstep). We have some of the best healthcare in the world provided by some of the most dedicated people (I've spent 15 years living overseas) and the WHO has been warning everyone that the planet is ripe for a pandemic - and we've had bungle after bungle - it makes my blood boil that many are making huge sacrifices and those in power seem to cherry-pick when they adhere to the rules and not - meanwhile, our elderly and vulnerable and those who care for them were left to 'make do and mend'.
Exactly this Gabbianni. The pandemic is brutally difficult, the leadership fiasco.........well.
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