Second wave coming

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Yay.

Yes twice now I gave said its here to stay

@NewAutumnName I think everyone realises the virus is here to stay. Doesn’t mean it’s a good idea to let it loose 😳.

Dominicgoings my pizzas are far superior to the nasty mass dominos ones. I bulk buy yeast too. String me up for being an ECV baker who needs to feed her family and uses baking and cooking as an opportunity for home learning too. I've only got 200 loo rolls though.

Kidding, I've about 30 purchased gradually over the last 18 months.

I just want to sleep for 12 months. Boris you fucking, gormless, retarded, idiotic, wanking, arsehole of a tosspot.....I hate you...should have gone the Sweden route.

Well that's a surprise! I wasn't expecting that! (sarcasm)
This virus is way too predictable.
There was always going to be a second wave. When this one is over, there will be speculation of when the 3rd wave will arrive.

@neveradullmoment99

Teachers will also out. No job is worth dying for.

That's if they can afford to.

@suk44

It's going to be this way for the foreseeable now.

I wonder if the panic buying will recommence in the shops tomorrow..

This is dreadful timing - tomorrow is my long-planned day to go to my least favourite supermarket for the monthly stock up of a branded item picky DH requires that's only found in this one shop. I normally go as infrequently as possible and buy at least six. They'll think I've gone mad!

Independent SAGE's recommendations to bend the curve and stop the exponential spread:

Why do the media do this - tomorrow there will be panic buyers in the shops and empty shelves!! 😡

In my area (according to the BBC) there were 7 cases per 100,000 in the last week. I may be wrong but that doesn’t seem to merit bringing the economy to it’s knees again.

I don’t know all the ins and outs but I do know I don’t trust Boris....

@SebandAlice

Yes possibly a second wave and thankfully 99.993% of the people who catch it will not not end up in hospital or die. Meanwhile all the people who are working from home on full pay rejoice. In reality 30% of businesses will close and a double whammy of a hard Brexit around the corner which will affect every business including the non-commercial public sector. No money, big problems...

That’s a very low fatality rate. Do you have a source for it?

@SebandAlice

Yes possibly a second wave and thankfully 99.993% of the people who catch it will not not end up in hospital or die. Meanwhile all the people who are working from home on full pay rejoice. In reality 30% of businesses will close and a double whammy of a hard Brexit around the corner which will affect every business including the non-commercial public sector. No money, big problems...

Why should people rejoice at lockdown just because they are working at home ? You know that some people really struggle working at home and would much rather be back in offices / previous workplaces but these are now closed indefinitely . Not everyone who works from home has office space; even more difficult if there are two people working at home full time from the dining room table . Then throw in trying to work whilst simultaneously caring for DC.

Yes for many people WFH is a much better scenario than heading back to a city centre on crowded public transport but I can't see why any of them would rejoice at another lockdown .

Teachers will also out. No job is worth dying for.
That's if they can afford to

You know, I'd rather be alive and poor.
I'd rather have my parents live longer.
I'd rather have my teenage children healthy and without long term damage to their health,
I'd rather my vulnerable DP survives.

I'd don't care if I can't afford to leave my teaching job, I'll do it (as are many others) to keep my family safe.

I'd don't care if I can't afford to leave my teaching job, I'll do it (as are many others) to keep my family safe

Unless you'll lose your home without your income, if leaving a job willingly so being limited in state support will mean that you cannot afford to feed your family- it's a fairly priveledged position to be able to make that decision. I agree that teachers and schools need more support, and pupils should be able to access tests as well more readily; but it's not the case that many can just up and leave.

Unless very vulnerable there is life (and bills) beyond covid. Teachers don't neccessarily have a skillset that can just walk into another job at the moment.

Teachers will also out. No job is worth dying for.

I don't really get this. Clinically extremely vulnerable teachers are at risk as are those over 60. But how many teachers is that?

There are very few teachers over 60 in the UK. Are there really lots of teachers suffering from one of the conditions below?

solid organ transplant recipients
people with specific cancers:
people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy
people with lung cancer who are undergoing radical radiotherapy
people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment
people having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer
people having other targeted cancer treatments that can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors
people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs
people with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
people with rare diseases that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID), homozygous sickle cell)
people on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection
women who are pregnant with significant heart disease, congenital or acquired

Unless you'll lose your home without your income, if leaving a job willingly so being limited in state support will mean that you cannot afford to feed your family- it's a fairly priveledged position to be able to make that decision

But just like my claim of everyone dying from COVID around me ( statistically not that likely) it is also not that likely that I am going to be homeless and starving as you are claiming...none of is likely to happen ..is it really?
And if the choices are actually one of my family dying or be jobless and homeless...of course I would choose to be jobless and homeless...wouldn't you? My mum or my home? My son or no food? Seriously I'm sticking to leaving my job.

But just like my claim of everyone dying from COVID around me ( statistically not that likely) it is also not that likely that I am going to be homeless and starving as you are claiming...none of is likely to happen ..is it really? And if the choices are actually one of my family dying or be jobless and homeless...of course I would choose to be jobless and homeless...wouldn't you? My mum or my home? My son or no food? Seriously I'm sticking to leaving my job.

It depends what savings and other household income you have, surely? For many who rely on their wage and considering it's going to be hard to find another job quickly during a recession or be eligible for benefits then it's not out of the realms that leaving a job without worrying about that is privileged. And good for you, but it's ridiculous to make out most teachers will leave as they're scared of dying, guessing that won't be the maths or science teachers. Of course people want to protect their families, for me that would be keeping a roof over DCs head.

antibodies only last for a couple of months they say now

However, memory T-cells typically last much longer, which means that if you are re-exposed to the virus at a later date, you manufacture antibodies straight away. They tested some of the people who had SARS 17 years later - most of them still had T-cells. This virus is very similar.

and a vaccine won’t offer meaningfully lasting protection

There is, literally, no evidence for this. We haven’t got a vaccine yet, so we can not possibly know how long it will provide protection for. In fact, we won’t know until we’ve given it to loads of people and watched them to see how long the immunity lasts - I would imagine that is part of the trial protocol. However, the scientists working on it - the ones who actually understand all this stuff, expect it to confer useful protection of 1-3 years.

If it’s only for one year... then you have an annual jab, like millions of us already do for flu. Big deal.

course people want to protect their families, for me that would be keeping a roof over DCs head

Then we'll agree to differ pheobe.
I'd much rather me and my DC's are alive and accept they may be hungry or living in shared accommodation, sharing with family or living in a tent...but perhaps for some this is more about not being able to afford a holiday abroad or a new car.

I know teachers are leaving, I know school staff including a number of head teachers haven't returned after the summer holidays and won't be back. We are all free to make our own choices.

Well of course everyone can make their own choice, actually here many qualified teachers have struggled to secure teaching posts, especially at primary level, so if people choose to leave it will give others a chance. I know that's not the case everywhere, but if we can all just think of ourselves then all good.

And also I lived in a hostel with my mum for 2 years whilst at school, I wouldn't do anything to put my DC in that position willingly, I would either live away whilst working or risk myself dying over that.

I'd much rather me and my DC's are alive and accept they may be hungry or living in shared accommodation, sharing with family or living in a

Lots of evidence Covid disproportionately impacts on people living in these very conditions with poor diets. Why would you want to put your family in this situation.

There are far fewer secure, permanent jobs with pensions nowadays. Most teachers won’t be leaving. We’ve got the stats from peak deaths in April (virus was freely circulating for a month pre lockdown). Teachers were not a high risk group - the fact so many are female was protective. Bus drivers, care workers, security staff, BAME health workers on the other hand - very high risk. The latter will be in work during a surge

People actually thinking about potentially plunging their family into poverty for covid, jeez!