Second wave coming

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[quote ChavvySexPond]@Weedsnseeds1

Good points all.

Our supermarket delivery driver looks so relieved when we say we'll just have our substitutions and make it work, I sometimes wonder what other households are like about it. [/quote]
Why would the delivery driver care if you keep the substitutions? It's not like he has to pay for them if you dont want them, what a strange post.

Good post Weeds

@sorryforswearing

This is very confusing. On another thread we’ve already established that Boris tells lies every time he speaks. Does this mean there is no second wave or is Boris turning over a new leaf?

Well, I suppose it is a turn up for the books, him telling the truth. However he is a bit late to tha party, it should have been said 2 weeks ago, and was fairly clearly coming a couple of weeks before that, so it's his second favourite of leaving it as late as possible in the hope it'll go away.

@KitKatastrophe
I imagine she's saying some people get angry at substitutions.

I remember at click and collect feeling similar when supplies were at their worst.
They'd sound so apologetic about substitutions, and relieved when I said not a problem. They normally just tell you in a brisk fashion.
I did hear some people kicking off a few times when collecting.

@notevenat20

Are you a teacher? Of course you aren't. You just feel the need to talk shit and dismiss any concerns from those who are in schools and have valid concerns. Do you do the same to NHS staff? To our public services workers?It is it just teachers you hate and feel the need to dismiss?

No hate and of course i have to go to work which involves its own risks. I do think we should take reassurance from the experience of open schools around the world.

So what do you do and what are the risks involved? The same as teachers? The same as anyone else who is worried for their health or the health of their loved ones? You have no right to dismiss the very valid fears of those working in workplaces you have no idea about. You talk about other countries- from what I can tell, the majority of other countries have far better mitigations than those in England.

If it "doesn't affect children" does that include those children with underlying health conditions? This is what I have been trying in vain to find the answer to in the past six months!

@Weedsnseeds1 totally

I am baffled by how selfish some of the STAY AT HOME brigade are.

@Witchend accepting all substitutions is daft though - you are then reducing supplies of things you don’t need.

Kicking off at staff though is another level 🙄

@Teateaandmoretea
Definitely not saying you should accept all without checking (we once had coconut yoghurt as a substitute for pizza) but it was clear that the people bringing it out had got used to having a bad reaction when they said there were substitutions.

@Weedsnseeds1

Thank you PhilSagielka I honestly don't think people realise how much of the "dirty work" is being carried out in the background by Eastern Europeans and (I should have mentioned before, because they ard a big group in food and logistics) the Portuguese. This country can't provide the most basic of services without them. Also includes the likes of care homes, where there is also a large African contingent from various countries.

Yes, lots of people have it hard, but isn't I easier to social distance and do they not have PPE in factories? (I don't know, so asking, but assuming that's the case). School teachers seem to be left to get on with it with no PPE for most of the day, where social distancing can't be enforced. Children just won't social distance at all times and especially not special needs children who don't understand and need more physical contact throughout the day.

@notevenat20

I don't think this is reasonable. Schools are open all over the world and teachers have not been falling like flies.

You don’t think very deeply, it seems. What about devastating long term effects, especially in older staff? I have a colleague and friend still not able to work because of the terrible damage done to her by coronavirus in March. Another was read the last rites just after Christmas - coronavirus was not recorded to Have been in the country at that time but what she experienced points to Covid. Thankfully she didn’t die and has just returned to school. What about all those school staff who are in households with vulnerable people? Or unable to feel that they can visit extremely critically vulnerable parents? My own mum has leukaemia, my dad has COPD. I live in fear of picking something up in school and unwittingly passing it onto them and killing them.

In school yesterday a year 7 boy was terribly upset because he had close contact with a boy who had gone home sick and he was worried he was going to pass covid onto a vulnerable relative at home. We have a confirmed case in school and will get more now. It’s honestly quite terrifying if you think of it too much, so we just try not to and get on with our job, knowing all the time that even with local lockdown where we are, Boris is merrily letting schools carry on much as normal. Kids in school are STILL getting the usual viruses despite all the coronavirus measures so what does that tell you about how effective they are? It feels like it’s all for nothing and the virus will infect us all eventually anyway.

At least Medical staff are all geared up to deal with patients. It really does feel like school staff are just being used to keep the country going. And then people like YOU come on here and dare to tell us we’re being unreasonable?! Go away.

@KitKatastrophe His obvious relief when we were so cheerful about having 9 substitutions made me I wonder if other people get annoyed.

[quote ChavvySexPond]@KitKatastrophe His obvious relief when we were so cheerful about having 9 substitutions made me I wonder if other people get annoyed. [/quote]
Oh I see. How strange that people get annoyed what do they expect the driver to do!?

I am confused by the graph the newspapers are showing - back in April, when the number of infections was at its highest, the only people getting tests were mainly those who went to hospital. There may well have been loads more 'infections' but people weren't tested.

Now, the number of infections is appearing to be on the rise again, but isn't that because loads of people are now actually being tested, whether they're sick enough to be hospitalised or not?

@KitKatastrophe

I thought perhaps people have feelings of frustration and he's Johnny On The Spot they express them to him,or perhaps just in front of him.

He almost physically braced himself when he had to ask about the substitutions, and I wondered how much stick he had been getting. Poor love. As you say, it's nothing to do with him.

And after a week without a delivery, I'm just grateful they turn up.

@Dominicgoings

Is it possible for at least one covid thread NOT to be taken over by angry teachers? Been a civil, interesting thread so far. There are a thousand others specific to schools and teachers....

Is it possible to show some compassion? Why be unpleasant?

My DP is vulnerable as had collapsed lung this year. Neither of us want to take child out of school though, or want a lock down. If DP gets ill, he gets ill.

@Shitfuckoh I've just had a recount and found some at the very bottom of the cupboard hidden under raincovers and I have 40. My children are nightmares with the stuff too and dd2 sometimes uses it for hamster bedding. Not the thinner stuff either that was a substation. Oh no, it needs to be the quilted stuff for little hammy 😩

ll our own fault, not at all the responsibility of the absolute clowns in power and certainly nothing to do with the fact that our testing system is in the toilet, that the young were actively encouraged to go out and spend money in restaurants, that schools were sent back with no extra funding and safety measures that will do diddly squat to stave off a virus that is spread by aerosol.

We have to take SOME blame for it! It should be clear to anyone with a brain that staying away from other people slows down the spread. The government doesn't have a magic wand to wave to make it all go away. However much we might like to pass all responsibility to them. They also can't just make laws that affect everyone without some consultation and preparation.

@Jaxhog I think the frustration is that the government are not admitting that they get anything wrong (even though they are bound to). They are not even sharing what it is they are trying to do - eradicate, minimise, flatten curve.

Whereas the people are constantly berated for any indiscretion.

We are all only human.

I didn’t physically touch another person for 3 months. The thought of another national lockdown is petrifying.

@Weedsnseeds1 That post needs to be seen more widely.

@Weedsnseeds1 I agree there is a sense of entitlement. For food to be provided in the shops, even delivered for some and yes the claim is we are sick or elderly we must have what we need etc BUT we forget someone else has to stand in the gap often on minimum wage to get the sometimes “demanded” food to them.
My daughter works in retail on a gap year after plans for going away fell through because of Covid. I have been shocked to hear of the number of rude and entitled people out shopping, and how they treat the sales people if they don’t get what they want or their own way. It’s ugly. You think we could all as a population wherever we are, and whoever we are, and maybe despite our fear of what is happening around us, to “keep our kind on” and appreciate those people out serving and providing for us.

@Cloudmonkey

I didn’t physically touch another person for 3 months. The thought of another national lockdown is petrifying.

That is so difficult. Do you have a support bubble now? I really doubt they’ll take that away

I was unaware too Weedsnseeds 1 about the food industry.
There are a large contingent of teachers on MN, it seems and another large contingent of people who have the luxury of "bunking down for the winter" for the sake of saving everyone from covid ....forgetting they will need the food industry, warehouse workers, supermarket staff, amazon delivery drivers, utilities workers, broadband and IT specialists (and probably many others I havent thought of) to enable that privilege.
My BIL works at a power station, he can't wfh, he was working 60 hour weeks over lockdown. There must be so many industries that literally keep the cogs turning to enable the fortunate ones who can WFH to do so and feel superior about it