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Second wave coming

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humidifierx · 18/09/2020 18:03

Yay.

Second wave coming
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Dominicgoings · 18/09/2020 23:38

@Leafbeans

People actually thinking about potentially plunging their family into poverty for covid, jeez!
For a minute risk of having any long term complications from COVID if you have no underlying risk factors.

You’d give up your job? Crazy.

Shitfuckoh · 18/09/2020 23:54

@Bercows
30 in 18 months?! I think my DC actually eat it the amount we get through here! Shock

Crispycove · 19/09/2020 00:08

I really don't want to sound callous, and I know it will be read as callous, but if anyone is going to die from COVID, I would rather it was the eldest and weakest.

I'd rather it was you.

Staffy1 · 19/09/2020 00:20

@notevenat20

Teachers will also out. No job is worth dying for.

I don't really get this. Clinically extremely vulnerable teachers are at risk as are those over 60. But how many teachers is that?

There are very few teachers over 60 in the UK. Are there really lots of teachers suffering from one of the conditions below?

solid organ transplant recipients
people with specific cancers:
people with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy
people with lung cancer who are undergoing radical radiotherapy
people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment
people having immunotherapy or other continuing antibody treatments for cancer
people having other targeted cancer treatments that can affect the immune system, such as protein kinase inhibitors or PARP inhibitors
people who have had bone marrow or stem cell transplants in the last 6 months or who are still taking immunosuppression drugs
people with severe respiratory conditions including all cystic fibrosis, severe asthma and severe chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD)
people with rare diseases that significantly increase the risk of infections (such as severe combined immunodeficiency (SCID), homozygous sickle cell)
people on immunosuppression therapies sufficient to significantly increase risk of infection
women who are pregnant with significant heart disease, congenital or acquired

These aren't the only risk factors. They may be the only ones listed by the government, but there are others that put people at greater risk. Just getting a higher dose of the virus gives a much greater risk of dying than a smaller dose. Cooped up with loads of people with no social distancing day after day (as at school) probably will increase the chance of a higher virus load. Reading that list makes me wonder if it's the treatment of one of the conditions or the conditions that put people at risk, as I have a condition that benefits from the same treatment listed for another condition, but to control the same thing.
Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 00:37

Would anyone be interested in the perspective from the food industry? Not the catering / hospitality industry (which people seem, on the whole, perfectly happy to see go bankrupt, despite no particular evidence they have increased the infection rate)?
The food manufacturing industry have been hit hard. There are currently around 50 factories / distribution centres with outbreaks. If they get 50/60/70 caees they might shut for a day or two to deep clean.
Otherwise the people with symptoms / positive tests keep going.
People are dying in the food industry. Cranswick in Barnsley had 9 cases, 3 died. 2 Sisters in Anglesey, couple of hundred cases. My job is food safety - independent inspections in factories. I am in one or two factories a week, where it is not unusual to have 20 or 30 staff off with symptoms or confirmed cases.
We have to keep going because, I am reluctantly concluding, £9 an hour Poles, Bulgarians, Lithuanians, Hungarians and the like, don't deserve the protection that certain hallowed professions do.
They can take 2 weeks off to isolate without pay if they are a contact, they can claim SSP, they can die.
There are always replacements from the temping agencies and the home workers, teachers and other revered professions can get their home deliveries, or pop into Tesco, that's the important thing.
Hey 51% of the country voted to kick the lot of them out, so why not thin the numbers out a bit now?
Not to mention warehouse pickers, delivery drivers...
Why are these people dispensable when they are providing the most basic of services to the nation?
If you ordered chicken breasts for your click and collect, but end up with chicken thighs, it's not going to kill you, but demanding to be supplied with whatever you want, whenever you want, while demanding special treatment, protection from the horrors if going to work (not including the genuinely shielding in that) is blinkered in the extreme. That really is killing people.
Apologies for the rant, but the lack of awareness of essential workers outside of tbe NHS and teachers on here is unreal. And the lack of awareness for the debt you owe to low paid immigrant or migrant workers, who have sucked up the risk and turned up day after day, in order to make sure you are fed, is breathtaking.
The feedback I get from sites is that absenteeism has been lower than normal throughout lockdown. They are in work with all the everyday illnesses outside COVID19, when they might previously have taken time off, because they have a work ethic and a sense of social responsibility to as country, that by a narrow majority, doesn't even want them there.
They can't visit their families, even by socially distancing outside an open window.
I'm not Eastern European, or other non-UK by the way. I'm just giving you my perspective on the complete lack of recognition or sympathy for this group.

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 00:41

Meant to say factories with symptoms / positives, not people, before anyone jumps on that.

LimitIsUp · 19/09/2020 00:45

Thank you for that weedsnseeds - thought provoking

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 00:54

Thank you too LimitisUp, I know this is a site primarily aimed at parents, so I understand the anxiety about schools, but I don't get the oblivion to other industries that need to exist in order to support "special" professions. All the "second wave" stock up, prepare to be at home for months posts (not necessarily this post). They all have an expectation that some, dispensable person will be providing foid, logistics, fuel, power in the background

janetmendoza · 19/09/2020 01:15

Yup well said LimitisUp

HeIenaDove · 19/09/2020 01:34

@Weedsnseeds1 YY Thanks for that post Flowers my DM used to work for 2 Sisters. I know what they are like.

ChavvySexPond · 19/09/2020 01:44

@Weedsnseeds1 GinCake

Good points all.

Our supermarket delivery driver looks so relieved when we say we'll just have our substitutions and make it work, I sometimes wonder what other households are like about it.

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 01:46

HelenaDove Grin yes, we all do in the industry...
However, sites that really are trying to protect their workers are also being hit. Certain sectors of the foid industry really can't socially distance at all times. Beef slaughter and primary boning - fine, everyone is 3 or 4 meters apart, start to introduce retail cuts and value added 30cm apart. Chicken slaughter and cutting, cheek by jowl, brewing - acres of space, sandwiches-- not great, bakery - spaced out until you start packing Christmas biscuit selections and thd like which is all hand packing..

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 01:48

I was bracing myself to be slaughtered for that post! Thank you to the people who understand my point.

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 01:53

Hmm, slaughtered.. Maybe I am getting institutionalised 😁

HeIenaDove · 19/09/2020 01:57

Interesting @Weedsnseeds1 Excellent points.

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 02:09

ChavySexPond site I was at a few weeks ago, beef slaughter, boning and further processing, demand for mince went through the roof at start of lockdown.
They couldn't meet demand as cattle farms contracted to them didn't have finished animals. Obviously (or not obviously to the general public, as it turns out) you have to kill the entire animal, you don't just cut bits off to order.
The site is part of a European group and proposed to their customers that they could source mince from sister sites - all good, Polish, EU approved sites, minced all they could get, topside, rumps, silverside (your normal mind is trim and cheaper cuts).
Somehow, this became public knowledge on social media, not supporting UK fatms etc. 50 tonnes of beef mince in landfill as retailers pulled out of the agreement.
Meanwhile, people moaning about shortages. UK beasts still being killed when finished, but demand for (at opposite extremes) filet steak or shin wasn't there, people wanted to fill their new second freezers with mince.

sorryforswearing · 19/09/2020 02:13

This is very confusing. On another thread we’ve already established that Boris tells lies every time he speaks. Does this mean there is no second wave or is Boris turning over a new leaf?

PhilSwagielka · 19/09/2020 02:13

@Crispycove

I really don't want to sound callous, and I know it will be read as callous, but if anyone is going to die from COVID, I would rather it was the eldest and weakest.

I'd rather it was you.

I’d rather it was me. I’m better off dead than the old and sick members of my family.
PhilSwagielka · 19/09/2020 02:14

@Weedsnseeds1

I was bracing myself to be slaughtered for that post! Thank you to the people who understand my point.
No, you’re right and you should say it.
Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 02:23

Thank you PhilSagielka I honestly don't think people realise how much of the "dirty work" is being carried out in the background by Eastern Europeans and (I should have mentioned before, because they ard a big group in food and logistics) the Portuguese.
This country can't provide the most basic of services without them.
Also includes the likes of care homes, where there is also a large African contingent from various countries.

rainshinewind · 19/09/2020 02:31

@Beebityboo

I just really hope they do away with the fines for schools soon. I was really scared to send them back at the beginning of term and now I am completely terrified (have a disability that makes me more vulnerable). It is completely disgusting that disabled and vulnerable families are having to choose between deregistering or paying fines. I just want to get my whole family through this winter unscathed. No one should be forced to send their children into school during a pandemic.
This!! ^
ChavvySexPond · 19/09/2020 02:36

@sorryforswearing

This is very confusing. On another thread we’ve already established that Boris tells lies every time he speaks. Does this mean there is no second wave or is Boris turning over a new leaf?
Well, the second wave not coming in to Britain. It is already here, we're just at the gently sloping part before it really takes off in three weeks and thousands of us die again.

And it didn't "come in" from anywhere, Since our government never even tried to eradicate the virus, it never left , and was silently being spread by the asymptomatic.

So he's misrepresenting and dog whistling if you prefer, but those two things he said are certainly not true so anyone saying them is definitely lying.

ChavvySexPond · 19/09/2020 02:39

@Weedsnseeds1

ChavySexPond site I was at a few weeks ago, beef slaughter, boning and further processing, demand for mince went through the roof at start of lockdown. They couldn't meet demand as cattle farms contracted to them didn't have finished animals. Obviously (or not obviously to the general public, as it turns out) you have to kill the entire animal, you don't just cut bits off to order. The site is part of a European group and proposed to their customers that they could source mince from sister sites - all good, Polish, EU approved sites, minced all they could get, topside, rumps, silverside (your normal mind is trim and cheaper cuts). Somehow, this became public knowledge on social media, not supporting UK fatms etc. 50 tonnes of beef mince in landfill as retailers pulled out of the agreement. Meanwhile, people moaning about shortages. UK beasts still being killed when finished, but demand for (at opposite extremes) filet steak or shin wasn't there, people wanted to fill their new second freezers with mince.
Oh my god.

The world has actually gone mad.

ShockConfusedShock

Weedsnseeds1 · 19/09/2020 02:57

ChavvySexPond yep, but at least we can waste food that we actually wanted, while expensive food we don't want sits in long term frozen storage.

Oaktree55 · 19/09/2020 05:40

@Weedsnseeds1thank you for your insights. I think we could all do with thinking more about others and not ourselves. You’re right it’s a sector I was pretty ignorant about. I wish more of the U.K. had a semblance of social responsibility 😐

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