Another National Lockdown

[Malachite234]

What are the chances ? Sky News are reporting the possibility and a second lockdown has become a reality in Israel.

How likely do you think it is ?

Actually both hospital admissions with Covid and numbers in intensive care are starting to increase. If we had had a really effective track and trace in place, an increased testing capacity and hadn't lifted lock down as quickly, then we could have been in such a batter place right now.
As a country we have wasted so much money and so much time.

First it was save the NHS, flatten the curve. Then stop deaths from Covid. Now it's no Covid at all because some people get 'long Covid' and 'we' all need another lockdown (but a very severe one, martial law and house arrest).

Bloody police in Glasgow who won't come out when you report open drug dealing breaking up birthday parties of 4.

You can't make this stupid shit up.

First it was save the NHS, flatten the curve. Then stop deaths from Covid. Now it's no Covid at all because some people get 'long Covid' and 'we' all need another lockdown (but a very severe one, martial law and house arrest).

Eh?

Who wants martial law?

Calm down, dear (as the annoying Michael Winner used to say)

@Aridane that data set though is from those who were released from hospital and therefore not an indicative sample of the overall numbers

It exists undoubtedly and in a significant minority but probably in the long term after 3 months in around 0.5 to 3% of cases (Zoe App has 1 in 200)

Local drug dealing is just not a priority ime of the past 30 years. Bloody awful if its your neighbourhood.

The data sets for people NOT in hospital - from 4 million people - is one in 10

HTH

Calm down, dear (as the annoying Michael Winner used to say)

That again! You use that on every thread. Why not use your brain and try to find another way to be patronising and condescending? Yawn.

@SallySeven

Local drug dealing is just not a priority ime of the past 30 years. Bloody awful if its your neighbourhood.

Instead ring them up and report a birthday party, they'll be right there.

@Aridane not really I would like to see the data set

I am sure ZOE App has 1 in 10 as in the first 3 weeks but less as it goes on Im sure I read after 3 months it was 1 in 200

Won't happen

The country will bankrupt itself. The cure is worse than the disease.

@EducatingArti

Actually both hospital admissions with Covid and numbers in intensive care are starting to increase. If we had had a really effective track and trace in place, an increased testing capacity and hadn't lifted lock down as quickly, then we could have been in such a batter place right now. As a country we have wasted so much money and so much time.

But if the aim is just to flatten the curve and not to prevent all infections we can cope with an increase - as long as the NHS isn’t overwhelmed . I think this is part of the problem - what is the aim of the measures? It’s not clear. Is it to keep numbers of infections as low as possible or to keep them at a level which won’t overwhelm the NHS?

Shitty long term effects can occur after lots of viruses so why not Covid

But if the aim is just to flatten the curve and not to prevent all infections we can cope with an increase - as long as the NHS isn’t overwhelmed

The problem is the time lag. It's hard to say "okay the NHS is close to full now, press STOP on the virus" when you have growing infections, because by the time people are in hospital they've already been infected for a week or more and have had the opportunity to each infect multiple other people. Those people maybe aren't in hospital yet, but will end up there in increasingly big numbers.

And of course the more infectious people there are out in the community, the greater the chance that the virus will get into schools and cause huge disruption, get into care homes and cause damage, have more and more people put into 2-week isolation as close contacts.

Madame. It has to be both surely. The NHS is nowhere near back to normal with other treatments and elective surgeries etc. They always experience a massive stress over the winter even without Covid19.. WWE have to reduce Covid19 cases as much as we possibly can, both for the sake of the NHS and children's education and businesses keeping running.

@Thewiseoneincognito

I’m in full agreement with *@Nellodee* I was one of those back in January February trying to get people to realise the severity of the situation we faced. This isn’t going to magically disappear over night because we don’t have any money to lockdown again. Our lives are going to be impacted by this massively as we head into the colder months. You must be either stupid or incredibly naive to think a vaccine will be approved within the next 12 months. This is our reality now, life pre-covid is over. The sooner you admit this the easier it becomes to adjust.

I agree with you about the severity of the situation. But not about the vaccine. It is sounding like one or more will be approved well before this time next year. Why do you think people are stupid to believe this?