Another National Lockdown

[Malachite234]

What are the chances ? Sky News are reporting the possibility and a second lockdown has become a reality in Israel.

How likely do you think it is ?

I do find it distasteful how some people are almost praying for deaths to increase so they can be proved right about all the evil people going to the pub or beach. There were similar proclamations after VE Day.

Fortunately cases have been rising since July 7th and deaths have been falling every since.

@Ecosse

I do find it distasteful how some people are almost praying for deaths to increase so they can be proved right about all the evil people going to the pub or beach. There were similar proclamations after VE Day.

Fortunately cases have been rising since July 7th and deaths have been falling every since.

It’s incredibly distasteful to see people salivating over it. They seem to think they’re watching a disaster movie.

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The first lockdown just stalled the spread. Didn't stop it. So another lockdown would just push the next lot of infections back. Better to just get on with life as best we can. I do not want another lockdown. My son has just started school and I have just got back to work.

Without a lockdown society will grind to a halt anyway if it gets to the stage where 1000 people a day are dying again. People won’t go to the shops or to restaurants or send their children to school

And it mystifies me why people think we won’t be there again in 6 weeks time. Cases are doubling every week, that is a fact. That’s 3.5k, 7k, 14k, 28k, 56k, over 100k of cases very quickly. The virus has not mutated to be less dangerous. It is currently mainly younger people who are affected (like all those skiers back in Feb) but it’s now working its way back to the elderly just like before. Deaths will be increasing dramatically soon. We were fooled by the lag between cases and deaths last time, I can’t believe we are going to be so stupid again

Good post @Worriedmum999

The consequences we cannot keep peaks under control are horrible, in terms of ordering economic situation and sheer human misery

@Ecosse This precisely!

@Worriedmum999

Without a lockdown society will grind to a halt anyway if it gets to the stage where 1000 people a day are dying again. People won’t go to the shops or to restaurants or send their children to school.

And it mystifies me why people think we won’t be there again in 6 weeks time. Cases are doubling every week, that is a fact. That’s 3.5k, 7k, 14k, 28k, 56k, over 100k of cases very quickly. The virus has not mutated to be less dangerous. It is currently mainly younger people who are affected (like all those skiers back in Feb) but it’s now working its way back to the elderly just like before. Deaths will be increasing dramatically soon. We were fooled by the lag between cases and deaths last time, I can’t believe we are going to be so stupid again.

Totally agree with this. Can't believe the people that say lockdown did nothing but hold back deaths that will happen. Yes the point of lockdown was to stop the NHS being overwhelmed but also lockdown saved (albeit it was too late to start) thousands of lives and medical breakthroughs such as dexamethasone mean the some who would have got it in March/April but didn't may get it now but because of advances in understanding they have a better chance to survive it. Lockdowns give the scientists time to develop medicines and do trials that save people who would have otherwise have died.

There’s no evidence that lockdown saved ‘thousands of lives’ at all.

There is evidence that lockdown led to thousands of cancer diagnoses being missed or found too late, which will leas to deaths.

@Ecosse

There’s no evidence that lockdown saved ‘thousands of lives’ at all.

There is evidence that lockdown led to thousands of cancer diagnoses being missed or found too late, which will leas to deaths.

I would agree that delays in cancer diagnosis was an awful consequence but of course lockdown stopped community transmission (or limited it greatly), therefore the result would have been thousands of lives saved fro Covid. Sorry, language up the spout tonight- been in a decidly non Covid secure secondary school all day.

Lockdowns enquire social compliance. If you think people will adhere to staying at home, losing their jobs and ruining their kids education For months again- that is a very naive perspective.

If we’d had a short sharp lockdown you might persuade people to tolerate another. But kids were off school for almost 6 months! People haven’t worked since March, and some won’t work again. We have no money left. And we have Brexit to come, the icing on the shittest cake.

Asking young people (who have next to nothing to fears from this virus) to ruin their futures and their best years to protect the baby boomer generation that threw them to the wolves time and again is a big ask.

I think Mumsnet is made up of a large contingent of privileged women. In the real world I know no one who would agree to put up with another lockdown.

@Worriedmum999 well said. People mistakenly think we can just not intervene and the economy will recover. It won’t. The only way for economic recovery is to keep the virus under control. It’s not my opinion look at the figures from countries who’ve contained Covid compared to those that haven’t.

I think Mumsnet is made up of a large contingent of privileged women. In the real world I know no one who would agree to put up with another lockdown
Totally. All seemingly salivating at the prospect of a harsh, extreme, never ending lock down.

Knob I agree the public mood is different this time and I cannot imagine another lockdown without feeling depressed, so won’t.

But when you say people won’t comply, if my school and local businesses are shut what can I, or others, do? Or rather what do you think will happen?

@KnobChops Agree but as Priti has just told us, not adhering to the Rule of 6, could get you a criminal record.

With an 80 seat majority and no requirement to put restrictions through the 'commons Bojo can do as he pleases.

In regard to cancer treatments, thats down to the Govt's insistence that all treatments had to stop, they didn't, it was a political decision, to spare their blushes, they were desparent not to see the NHS being overwhelmed.

@TheDragQueen I don't want one. We couldn't see our DC in their care home for 3 months last time. I'm dreading it being the same again as DC didn't understand (severely learning disabled). It broke DH and I and will again if it happens but I do see the value in it.

But when you say people won’t comply, if my school and local businesses are shut what can I, or others, do? Or rather what do you think will happen?

I've already decided that if there is another lockdown I'm going to go out more than once a day for exercise and, if I fancy something non essential I'll be going to the corner shop. I'll also go and visit my uncle even if I sit outside to talk to him. I won't be stupid, I just won't get myself into the same panic as last time, worrying in case I do something wrong.

It won't happen. People just won't conform. We cannot live our lives in suspended animation anymore. Plus no economy, no NHS. As simple as that.

@MarshaBradyo

Knob I agree the public mood is different this time and I cannot imagine another lockdown without feeling depressed, so won’t.

But when you say people won’t comply, if my school and local businesses are shut what can I, or others, do? Or rather what do you think will happen?

Social unrest I would think. Which won’t be pretty. People rioted over the poll tax. Look at the BLM marches. There is a simmering anger. If the government cause mass job losses there will be anarchy. And they know it. I was flabbergasted they went with all those months of lockdown after first telling us it was just to flatter the curve. Lots of us in the NHS on this site we’re saying our hospitals were empty of covid after a month. And yet it went on...and on...

Two weeks ago I would have said no way.
One week ago I would have said highly unlikely.
This week I'm saying yes, it looks a distinct possibility.
Testing is currently inaccurate.
Care homes & hospital/medical staff are untested. School staff/kids are largely untested. No tests currently available in the top ten most afflicted areas.
The Tories have created a perfect storm for unchecked exponential growth ... Yet again . Hurrah for utter incompetence .

Asking young people (who have next to nothing to fear from this virus) to ruin their futures and their best years to protect the baby boomer generation that threw them to the wolves time and again is a big ask. I think Mumsnet is made up of a large contingent of privileged women. In the real world I know no one who would agree to put up with another lockdown

Totally and utterly this. My social circle are generally relatively privileged, middling in age (mostly parents of toddlers to early teens) and insulated from the worst of the economic fallout - even so, I know many people who were at breaking point during the last lockdown. Several relationship breakdowns, two lost jobs and lots of newly diagnosed mental health issues just among my friendship circle. And I fully appreciate that many, if not most, people were far worse off than us.

I have no idea who all these people are who can afford, financially and mentally, to hunker down for another full lockdown. And that’s without the coming joys of Brexit, another thing that younger people didn’t want and nonetheless are being asked to pay for.

@teta agree.

@TempsPerdu nobody wants a lockdown. Some people are more realistic about the situation we face. It’s not possible to have a functioning economy with Covid running free. If (as is happening in U.K.) our ability to trace cases collapses then it will grow exponentially again. We’re still early September and schools/Unis just going back. What do you honestly think the situation would be if we just carried on ignoring the problem. Most economists agree the virus needs to be under control for the economy to recover. People just won’t spend money and go out otherwise once cases get high.

@Ecosse

Can you (or anyone else who has referenced this) explain or provide a source to explain how lockdown itself impacted on cancer treatment? My understanding is that the NHS needed to divert resources from regular services to manage the influx of COVID admissions. To me, this seems like a consequence of mass amounts of people becoming infected with COVID and overwhelming hospital services. It's not as if all the cancer doctors were home on furlough, they were still working to try to save people's lives -- there were just more lives to save due to COVID. Am I missing something?I am genuinely wondering bc people say this all the time and it makes no sense to me.

They will have to do something. The testing system is utterly shambolic, the government has not prepared itself for this pandemic during autumn and winter months.

I’d welcome a second lock down purely from the perspective it would better protect me and the team I work with from the utterly appalling behaviour of the general public to a degree. Never before has it been so clear that some people’s lives are considered more disposable than other’s. People have got worse.

@Oaktree55

So...then what? We lockdown again; kids miss more education; the economy goes totally kaput - and then we reopen... when? December? January? At which point the dormant virus picks up again, and the unholy the merry-go-round continues. And, a timely, safe and effective vaccine notwithstanding, we presumably go on like this indefinitely? With ever increasing misery, social isolation, poverty and, most likely, civil unrest? Short of an even more seismic event than Covid we are stuck with our current shitshow of a government for at least the next four years, and I have zero faith that they will get track and trace working effectively any time soon, if ever.

At some point we need to make a tough choice between preserving life at all costs and maintaining some quality of life for the majority. Mumsnet is one thing, but I don’t know a single person in real life who believes we can live like this long term. And that’s not entirely an issue for the government; at least part of the issue is our society’s refusal to come to terms with our own mortality and countenance any level of additional personal risk. Many people, especially on MN, seem to favour some kind of semi-permanent hibernation over actually living.