When will there be a backlash against these rule breakers?

[annabel85]

We know the government made errors back in March. They should have locked down quicker and messed up with care homes. However, the issue now is people not following rules. House parties, raves, mixing in big groups. People are blaming the government for the new rule of 6 and not the shameless delinquents who have been breaking rules.

The government have issued a clear warning to people with the new legislation. Follow the rules or cases will get worse and further restrictions will come. How long till people snap at those who aren't taking this seriously? The tolerance of the law abiding majority can only stretch so far.

PS - leave Cummings out of it. This is about the here and now.

Should teachers be furloughed if that happens?

@Pomegranatepompom

Yep!

Honestly if there’s another lockdown, many nhs workers/ care staff/ food provision won’t be able to work. I’m sure the Government have a plan - not!

Going back to the original question, I was pretty shocked to see one of the Daily Mail’s headlines today (so sorry to have to mention the DM) where they actually name and have photos of a guy they seem to blame for all the cases in Bolton!
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8724431/Coronavirus-Ibiza-clubber-thought-Bolton-case-spike.html
Feels rather like trying to whip up a mob blaming mentality to me...

I agree with you there.

Continued furlough will create resentment though. In general I mean, obviously I know teachers were paid throughout.

Just re comparing with Belgium.... does anyone know what they are doing beyond the rule of 5 thing?

All else being equal, statistically we would have 20% more cases than them as 6 is 20% more than 5. Maybe that’s a crude assumption, but not unreasonable. In fact it may be more than 20% because there are 6 times more permutations within a group of 6 than there are within a group of 5.

It does make me laugh when posters say all their friends are following rules but not on MN

Some of us are your friends...i know loads of people who are following the rules as best they can

A few which are following every rule religiously, some of whom will berate those that dont

One or two that aren’t obeying many rules at all

Just like on here where the majority are doing the best they can but there are people At completely opposite end of the scale

@KitchenConfidential

Going back to the original question, I was pretty shocked to see one of the Daily Mail’s headlines today (so sorry to have to mention the DM) where they actually name and have photos of a guy they seem to blame for all the cases in Bolton! www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8724431/Coronavirus-Ibiza-clubber-thought-Bolton-case-spike.html Feels rather like trying to whip up a mob blaming mentality to me...

The other day their headline following the 6 people rule was

Thanks generation Z

😡

Teachers were ( should have been ) working throughout , not sure why they are mentioned along with furlough

@MNnicknameforCVthreads

Just re comparing with Belgium.... does anyone know what they are doing beyond the rule of 5 thing?

All else being equal, statistically we would have 20% more cases than them as 6 is 20% more than 5. Maybe that’s a crude assumption, but not unreasonable. In fact it may be more than 20% because there are 6 times more permutations within a group of 6 than there are within a group of 5.

I suppose that then filters down to the contact tracing as well - 5 people will have had less contacts than 6 so might make it easier to trace contacts

Obviously teachers were not furloughed. I didn’t wrote my post clearly.

We were pomegranate, but we also had to work, well I did. I was on a rota (most days each week) for going into school for key workers children and I was on a rota to do delivery’s of work to our children at my own expense (1 day a week). I had to be online between 8am and 3.15pm on the day that I wasn’t rota’d and had to upload resources and video explanations for the entire next weeks lessons. I’ve never worked so much in my life! It was hard.

If someone had said I didn’t have to do any of the above, it would have been great, but the reality of most teachers was that lockdown sucked. There was no garden sitting for me.

And I followed the rules.

We were paid full pay that is.

Sounds like you did an amazing job @DBML
I honestly despair at the thought of schools closing and the impact this will have on children.
I’d personally do anything to keep the schools open. I do understand others have different priorities though.

“ the reality of most teachers was that lockdown sucked. There was no garden sitting for me”

Same for my secondary teacher husband. He also couldn’t take paternity leave because there was no cover. Keeping schools and early years settings open is a priority for me

@Pomegranatepompom

But you’ll be keeping your parents safer if you don’t see them.

I didn't see my mum...she still died so that didn't work did it?

The inflammatory language betrays a selfish hysteria. There isn’t any punishment here just consequences. Not liking the consequences doesn’t make it a punishment.

If I tell my dd to stop being silly on the monkey bars otherwise she’ll fall and hurt herself and then she does in fact fall and hurt herself, I haven’t punished her she’s simply experienced the consequence she was warned about.

@Cornettoninja

The inflammatory language betrays a selfish hysteria. There isn’t any punishment here just consequences. Not liking the consequences doesn’t make it a punishment.

If I tell my dd to stop being silly on the monkey bars otherwise she’ll fall and hurt herself and then she does in fact fall and hurt herself, I haven’t punished her she’s simply experienced the consequence she was warned about.

Her falling is not your decision. It is a consequence yes.

The restrictions dont impose themselves. Someone has to make those decisions, and therefore it is a punishment. They have even framed it as a punishment.

I’m fucking pissed off at anyone who thinks their so special the guidelines don’t apply to them and add to the already shit situation all because of their precious opinions.

Me too. These people don't give a fig for those of us having to shield. We are NOT all at the end of our lives, but we ARE affected when selfish people can't be bothered or think they are too special to follow the rules.

The government has implemented restrictions exactly like they are punishments. “You couldn’t control yourselves, so with heavy hearts we have to do this”. It allows the public to blame each other for restrictions that supposedly protect our healthcare system rather than examine govt policies that have reduced that healthcare system deliberately. It makes catching and transmitting a virus a moral failing, rather than something that we really only have limited control over on an individual basis. I’m not saying shrug our shoulders and don’t do what we can as individuals, but blaming people for a virus doing what a virus does just increases division

I think you are right Bucket, they are happy to divide society ( us) and pass the blame

If schools closed, there would be no need to furlough as they’d be supporting home learning. Surprised teachers would want this ?

I agree though, past and current decisions are divisive.

The restrictions dont impose themselves. Someone has to make those decisions and therefore it is a punishment. They have even framed it as a punishment

That’s because this government are dickheads and astoundingly bad at community relations. I don’t believe any government we could have possibly had in place as an alternative would be making decisions much different to the ones we’re experiencing now.

I was just trying to illustrate that just because you don’t like the consequence doesn’t make it a punishment and that still applies to imposed consequences. Then you start getting into more details about whether or not you believe the reasons for those consequences are justified or not but it still doesn’t make them punishments.

I didn’t hear any suggestions they were punishments but then I always listen to Whitty most. He was good and said we have done well and what is being asked of us is hard. He gets the right note pretty much consistently.