When will there be a backlash against these rule breakers?

[annabel85]

We know the government made errors back in March. They should have locked down quicker and messed up with care homes. However, the issue now is people not following rules. House parties, raves, mixing in big groups. People are blaming the government for the new rule of 6 and not the shameless delinquents who have been breaking rules.

The government have issued a clear warning to people with the new legislation. Follow the rules or cases will get worse and further restrictions will come. How long till people snap at those who aren't taking this seriously? The tolerance of the law abiding majority can only stretch so far.

PS - leave Cummings out of it. This is about the here and now.

The overwhelming evidence is that transmission is primarily amongst friends and family.

So why can people not get that its ok to shop, meet in a pub where the staff can monitor it and go to work but you can't go visit family where for 90% of the population it s a free for all.

I've said time and again on these thread - when people say, why can I go to the shops, pubs, work but not visit my family - you don't hug the shop worker, the waiter, the check out person - but most people (apart from the perfect people who exist on mums net) do not socially distance properly from friends and family.

wen you leave the restaurant, you chair is sanitised (ok, I don't actually think that makes a difference but it happens) but then at home, if friends leave, you don't sanitise he sofa

hell, most people don't even stay 1m away from from friends and family

if you meet them in public, there is a chance someone will be monitoring it (covid Marshalls?)

That is why I think most people will rebel against the rules because all this pandemic has shown is how little statistical, scientific and logical knowledge the general populace actually possesses

The transmission amongst family and friends has to come from somewhere. No family member or friend can give you coronavirus unless they themselves have it. And where do they get it from?.......shops, buses, trains, pubs, workplace. All the places where we are being asked to take care; and where so many people are not doing so. Hence the rise in cases.

People are socially distancing in their family circle, especially if they have vulnerable family members.

The days of people reporting their neighbours, shaming on Facebook etc are gone

Ask the guy with asthma who was bullied made to wear a mask by the pilot on an Easyjet flight by the pilot while other passengers jeered then cheered. I can just imagine the cover up and the erasing of videos on his phone had he died.

Ppl need to get over the Cummings thing. It's teenage behaviour saying if he did then i can do it, and he wasn't punished so i can't be punished. Nobody where i live even mentions him, yet some ppl on MN are obsessed .

I'd love to know how the govt are supposed to monitor quarantine? In New Zealand they have set areas where ppl must stay. Do you think ppl here would agree to that?. BBC news said only 1/4 of ppl are self isolating when needed. How can isolation and quarantine be policed?

I think ppl should stop being so selfish and follow the rules. Its the rule breakers that are screwing the rest of us.

@caughtalightsneeze

I have stuck to the rules all along and will continue to. It's no skin off my nose because I'm a homebody anyway.

But it's perfectly reasonable to point out that the hypocrisy of the government when it comes to Dominic Cummings. Essentially what they were saying is that the rules apply to you, the ordinary people, but not to everyone. If you're important enough, the rules don't apply.

People are not petulant teenagers for being angry about this stuff. People up and down the country have faced financial hardship the likes of which they never thought they would see. People who have always worked and always wanted to work being told that it was now illegal for them to operate their businesses and earn money to keep a roof over their head and food on their table. And they did that, for the greater good, only to see their Prime Minister's influential mate piss all over them because he was so much more important. Why the hell would they not be angry? And why would they listen to the rules now when it has been proven that they don't apply to everyone?

Agree with this.

I have followed the rules. I still haven't seen my mum - last saw her on 5th March. She is my aunts full time carer and my aunt is vulnerable to covid. Have only seen my dad a few times.

Not a big socialiser so not really difficult for me to follow the rules. But Dominic Cummings really destroyed people's faith in the rules.

@Torvean32

Ppl need to get over the Cummings thing. It's teenage behaviour saying if he did then i can do it, and he wasn't punished so i can't be punished. Nobody where i live even mentions him, yet some ppl on MN are obsessed .

I'd love to know how the govt are supposed to monitor quarantine? In New Zealand they have set areas where ppl must stay. Do you think ppl here would agree to that?. BBC news said only 1/4 of ppl are self isolating when needed. How can isolation and quarantine be policed?

I think ppl should stop being so selfish and follow the rules. Its the rule breakers that are screwing the rest of us.

I'm over it in that I'm not raging angry anymore and I'm certainly not doing the childlike if he can I can thing, but it has severely undermined confidence in the government and reduced the importance people place on the "rules", even/especially among Tory supporters.

The government are not my colour and I'm certainly no Johnson fan, but on the whole, I did reluctantly admit that government were doing quite well in very difficult circumstance before Cummings.

Since then it's become increasingly shambolic while they've tried to take steps to impose rules that don't undermine what they said about him and whilst I'm not deliberately doing the wrong things, I am paying far less attention to what they say I "should" be doing.

Any discussion about how the rules can/will be enforced does need to cover Cummings because, even if it's subconsciously by now, it does affect people's attitudes towards them.

@Torvean32

Ppl need to get over the Cummings thing. It's teenage behaviour saying if he did then i can do it, and he wasn't punished so i can't be punished. Nobody where i live even mentions him, yet some ppl on MN are obsessed .

I'd love to know how the govt are supposed to monitor quarantine? In New Zealand they have set areas where ppl must stay. Do you think ppl here would agree to that?. BBC news said only 1/4 of ppl are self isolating when needed. How can isolation and quarantine be policed?

I think ppl should stop being so selfish and follow the rules. Its the rule breakers that are screwing the rest of us.

It isn't teenage behaviour. It's quite well documented the impact that powerful people flouting rules and being defended by other powerful people has on legitimacy and compliance on a societal level. You may not know anyone who mentions yourself but for those in England, we know what an impact it had because there is data to show it, even if some people don't have a representative experience.

I certainly understand why this is annoying, but it's now baked into the public psyche. It follows that it also needs to be part of any discussion, because dismissing it is pointless.

It will be interesting to see which is the first government official to meet in a group of more than six, now the rules are so clear cut. We know they like a party. I hope the press are on it.